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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I was a longtime union activist who went to the monthly meetings and screamed that the union get involved in improving the schools and setting high standards when the administration refused to do so. I was repeatedly told that such things were beyond the scope of unions. Thankfully, in the last ten years, this has started to change and now improving schools is seen as union business by the two major educational unions. Sadly, the damage has been done and for some districts, the situation may be impossible to reverse.
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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    I know, private school parents pay for everyone's kids to go to school through taxation, and they pay for their kid to go to school with after tax funds.
    And people without kids have to pay for everyone kids to go to school without any benefit to themselves at all
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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    As it should be.
    Obviously not.

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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    I believe that there should be a limited version of school choice. I would definitely support the ability for parents to choose which school in the district their child attends. I grew up in a city with 7 elementary schools. The city was divided geographically as to who attended which elementary school. I would support parents having the right to choose which elementary school their kids attended. HOWEVER, I would also support the school district forcing the parents to either get the child to/from that school on their own or charge them the difference in expense for transportation if their choice is not their local school. I would not suggest that moving kids beyond their normal school district as a good idea.
    That is how it is done here

    You can send your kid to another school in the district, but getting the kid to school is then your responsibility if it is not on one of the school bus routes (if public school, the catholic schools use the public city buses)
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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    What's wrong with "parents who have the time, money, ability and determination" seeing that their children get the best education possible?
    Nothing in itself but there is a problem if it's to the detriment of other children. After all, on that principle, why bother fixing the state school system? Why bother having it at all? All the determined parents can use private schools and everyone else can rot in the gutter. It's a question of whether you're seeking good education for your kids or a good education system for society. I consider the former grossly short-sighted.

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Or should everyone be forced to settle for mediocre?
    Nobody should be forced to settle for mediocre. You're proposing that some children should be forced to settle for that or worse. I'm suggesting that the entire system for everyone should be improved. School choice won't achieve that (certainly not alone) but then it isn't intended to achieve that.

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    If public schools had to compete for students, public schools would change.
    Certainly, but not necessarily in the manner you imply. Some would improve their game but others would in turn slowly (which is key) degenerate as they lost students, staff and resources. Some would spend money on hype and marketing to attract better students and staff without actually improving education. Some would resort to fraud and corruption (even more) to try to maintain the illusion of achievement. Overall, the picture would be different but not any better than it is now.

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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    And people without kids have to pay for everyone kids to go to school without any benefit to themselves at all
    Sounds like good candidates for more opt outs.

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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Allow me to chime in both as a parent and as a 33 year former teacher in the public system. Of course, every parent has the right and duty to see that the education given to their child is the best that they can possibly give them. And if that means a school other than the local public school - so be it.

    At the same time, we also have to accept and realize that there is a societal price to pay for that. The most motivated parents leave the public system and the contribution they could have made to that local public school is often never replaced or made by the less motivated or less educated or less involved parent who is still in the public system.

    You multiply that times hundreds and thousands and millions and it becomes just like a big city like Detroit losing the tax payers over time and only keeping those who pay little but absorb much services. it has to have an overall negative effect on the system and on society.

    It is not a win/win situation.

    Maggie - I was a longtime union activist who went to the monthly meetings and screamed that the union get involved in improving the schools and setting high standards when the administration refused to do so. I was repeatedly told that such things were beyond the scope of unions. Thankfully, in the last ten years, this has started to change and now improving schools is seen as union business by the two major educational unions. Sadly, the damage has been done and for some districts, the situation may be impossible to reverse.
    And for that reason (bolded above), parents should be allowed to voucher their kids to other schools that aren't broken.

    It isn't difficult to improve public schools. Society just doesn't have the will to do so. And, when push comes to shove, unions aren't so interested in the students. Their interest in the students is only inasmuch as they relate to union jobs and job security.

    Improving their image is even more difficult than improving public schools in general.

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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    You can send your child to any school you want, just don't expect tax money to do so. Even though my child is grown I still have a say in our public schools. The same is not true of private schools.
    It's not "tax money." It's my money.

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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    I would be ok with charter schools so long as schools have proper accreditation for their curriculum that were aligned with what a state college would accept.

    Basically, so long as this isn't used to get around a proper education (like substituting creationism for an actual science education), its ok by me.

    If its a fully private school and not paid with state funds, they should be given much more room in their curriculum choice, but I cannot in good conscious or morality support dumbing down our populace in the name of some religious agenda.

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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Yes, I am absolutely in favor of school choice. Choice is good.

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