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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    No it doesn't, which is exactly why the USG grants to Catholic Charities.

    You're wrong.
    Catholic Charities is a separate organization from the church and when they get government funding they are prohibited from promoting their religion or illegal discriminating.

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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    I have heard from urban school teachers that the worst behaved kids mostly dropout when they are old enough.
    Which doesn't mean they aren't a pain in the ass while they're there. Those worst behaved kids who drop out are the ones that society will be handing a monthly government check to. I'd rather see them out in the cold where they belong, having done it to themselves.
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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Catholic Charities is a separate organization from the church and when they get government funding they are prohibited from promoting their religion or illegal discriminating.
    Catholic schools are also separate organizations from the Church, and they are not prohibited from promoting their religion.
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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    No, it's not a clear violation, and a school associated with a religion is not a "religious institution", it's a school.
    Nope. The Supreme Court has said otherwise. Schools associated with religions are still "religious institutions" under the Constitution. That is just more attempted creativity to skirt the Constitution, but it has already been recognized as violative by the SCOTUS. Try again.
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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Nope. The Supreme Court has said otherwise. Schools associated with religions are still "religious institutions" under the Constitution. That is just more attempted creativity to skirt the Constitution, but it has already been recognized as violative by the SCOTUS. Try again.
    Please show SCOTUS proclaiming such, and, why can the govt grant to Catholic Charities?
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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Why should private schools be subsidized by the government? Vouchers are nothing more than a ploy to allow government money to be used in primarily religious institutions.....something that is clearly not allowed under the Constitution. Vouchers are a creative ploy to try to circumvent the constitution.
    Well look at it this way. If the government IS going to fund education from a central pool of money, what difference does it make where the parents choose to place the vouchers that replace direct funding to the school? It wouldn't be establishing or restricting religion so there would be no constitutional problem with the vouchers going to a parochial school.

    But no voucher is going to cover all the cost to a parochial or private school, so the parents will have to pony up the money to cover what the voucher doesn't. But that voucher might allow the parent to get their kids out of a failing public school and into a parochial or private school that they could not otherwise afford.

    If the public school loses so many of its students that it cannot open its doors, then it choses and we have eliminated one more failing school. How can that be a bad thing? It will certainly be a win for the kids.

    But if the public school decides to improve its standards and effectiveness to compete with that parochial or private school, and the parents can put the vouchers with the public school and then pay nothing additional for their kids to be well educated, then won't most parents choose to do that? How can that be a bad thing? Win win for everybody.
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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Why should private schools be subsidized by the government? Vouchers are nothing more than a ploy to allow government money to be used in primarily religious institutions.....something that is clearly not allowed under the Constitution. Vouchers are a creative ploy to try to circumvent the constitution.
    The alternative is to allow government to have an effective monopoly on education. We've seen well enough how this works out.
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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    The alternative is to allow government to have an effective monopoly on education. We've seen well enough how this works out.
    No it isn't. Public and private schools have existed for decades without government funding for religious private schools. Where is the monopoly today?
    The idea that you can only avoid a government monopoly by violating the Constitutional prohibition on church/state is silly and contrary to historical fact.
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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Wrong. Public tax dollars cannot be provided to a religious institution. It violates First Amendment Church/State.
    The dollars were being provided to the parent of the student.

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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by brothern View Post
    You missed the point of my question. If a failing public school loses enrollment, and thus loses federal money & the ability to hire good teachers; what happens to the kids that CAN'T move?

    I don't care about the teachers. I'm wondering what your solution is for the kids that can't afford private schools, or can't afford to move to another school?
    Maybe I wasn't clear about my answer. I'll try to explain further. Yes, teachers will be laid off. Unfortunately, in the unionized states, it will be done by seniority. The buildings are already there, so that's not an issue. Funding will fall, but so will enrollment, so costs go down as well. I believe that things will change very quickly at this point. Public school will retool, retrain and revamp into a smarter, more efficient and fiscally responsible format in order to compete. If done right and at the right time, I don't think there will be a lasting negative impact on the remaining students. Plus, I think that more local private schools will be started in order to try and claim the tax moneys that those students represent. There will be a place for them. The money is already there. What would help even more is to take school funding off the property tax and make it a new sales tax. That way everybody is paying into the system, rather than just the property owners. I don't even think it would take that much of a sales tax.

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