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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Why should private schools be subsidized by the government? Vouchers are nothing more than a ploy to allow government money to be used in primarily religious institutions.....something that is clearly not allowed under the Constitution. Vouchers are a creative ploy to try to circumvent the constitution.
    There is nothing in the constitution banning this. The state simply can not favor one religion over another. The voucher could be spent at any private school, not just one affiliated with a religion. And every private school, religious or not, must be certified by the states department of education. If the child is not attending public school, then the tax dollars his/her parents pay that would normally go to the child's education in a public school is just as justified paying for it in a private school.
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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Good, how many schools is that?
    In my specific school district, the ones that my taxes support, ranging from elementary to high school, there are 12.

    Why won't they?
    Because they don't care?
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    There is nothing in the constitution banning this. The state simply can not favor one religion over another. The voucher could be spent at any private school, not just one affiliated with a religion. And every private school, religious or not, must be certified by the states department of education. If the child is not attending public school, then the tax dollars his/her parents pay that would normally go to the child's education in a public school is just as justified paying for it in a private school.
    Wrong. Public tax dollars cannot be provided to a religious institution. It violates First Amendment Church/State.
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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    In my specific school district, the ones that my taxes support, ranging from elementary to high school, there are 12.
    Pretty Good. The schools in my district are pretty good as well.

    Because they don't care?
    Or because they have no expectation of being able to succeed at affecting any kind of change? Vouchers would give them an opportunity and resource they lack. The freedom to choose the school their children attend. It would inject some competition in the schools.
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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Wrong. Public tax dollars cannot be provided to a religious institution. It violates First Amendment Church/State.
    No it doesn't, which is exactly why the USG grants to Catholic Charities.

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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Pretty Good. The schools in my district are pretty good as well.
    And they are good because the people in the community value education and attend school board meetings and the like.

    Or because they have no expectation of being able to succeed at affecting any kind of change? Vouchers would give them an opportunity and resource they lack. The freedom to choose the school their children attend. It would inject some competition in the schools.
    How will they know if they don't try? Why are we supposed to think that they're going to magically get involved in the new schools when they couldn't be bothered to get involved in the old ones? At best, allowing school choice just lets lazy people put their kids into schools where they can benefit from the hard work of others. Education isn't a dick-waving contest, it's a commitment to success. Poor performing students in one school aren't going to go to another school and magically start performing better.
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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    No it doesn't, which is exactly why the USG grants to Catholic Charities.

    You're wrong.
    Sorry, but that simply isn't the case. Using public money to fund a religious institution is a clear violation of the First Amendment, which is exactly why they are trying to go the "Voucher" route. It is a not-so-clever ploy to circumvent the Constitution.
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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    And they are good because the people in the community value education and attend school board meetings and the like.



    How will they know if they don't try? Why are we supposed to think that they're going to magically get involved in the new schools when they couldn't be bothered to get involved in the old ones? At best, allowing school choice just lets lazy people put their kids into schools where they can benefit from the hard work of others. Education isn't a dick-waving contest, it's a commitment to success. Poor performing students in one school aren't going to go to another school and magically start performing better.
    What makes you think they are not involved? I volunteer at 3 inner city schools in Prince George county, and they have very active parents. Sure some of the parents are not involved, but, I'm sure you'll find the same to be true in any school.
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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Sorry, but that simply isn't the case. Using public money to fund a religious institution is a clear violation of the First Amendment, which is exactly why they are trying to go the "Voucher" route. It is a not-so-clever ploy to circumvent the Constitution.
    No, it's not a clear violation, and a school associated with a religion is not a "religious institution", it's a school.
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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    If people got to spend that money as a voucher, they wouldn't put their kids into schools that did that. As to the 16-and-up thugs not bothering? Are you saying that inner-city high schools only have kids 16 and younger? Thugs stay in school if you're counting their warm bodies in the seats.
    I have heard from urban school teachers that the worst behaved kids mostly dropout when they are old enough.

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