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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    I am old enough to remember when essentially all school districts were local--funded, staffed, and operated by local people. No federal money. Precious little if any state money. The school board was elected from the local citizenry and worked hand in hand with un-unionized teachers who were among the most respected citizens of the community and the parents, most of whom were very hands on in the process. Together, text books were selected and the hat was passed for needs not covered by the budget.

    We had school cafeterias and also a lot of the kids brought their lunches. The child who forgot his/her lunch money or sack lunch was fed, but the parent was expected to pony up the cash later. The parents were expected to feed and properly clothe their children. Those who did not received a visit from social services, and if the parent was unwilling or unable to properly take care of their children, the children were removed from the home until the parent was willing and able to do that. Very few children were removed from the home.

    The teachers were respected and allowed to exercise complete authority on the school grounds. We prayed before school assemblies and sporting events. The schools were the social centers of many communities, the PTA exercised considerable influence, and the kids did not question what was expected of them. There were no social promotions. Nobody was graduated without completing the requisite number of credits. A few kids were home schooled and there were private and parochial schools too. But most of us went to public schools and if it wasn't working out for us in one, we were allowed to transfer to any other that had room.

    In that system we kids received an education that allowed us to compete with anybody. And the USA had one of the best, if not THE best, education in the world.

    I vote to get the federal government out of public education entirely and return the education of the children to the parents and local school boards. What we're doing now isn't working.
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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    The first applies to almost all kids. Socializing is a part of school.

    The second applies to many kids that aren't thugs. I'd be surprised if there was no drug use at any school except the most lofty of private schools.

    The last I've never heard of, so I'll have to think about it. I've not paid much attention to the specifics of public assistance for a few decades. I know many things have changed.

    probably the most important aspect is these older students attend school to do something other than get an education
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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    probably the most important aspect is these older students attend school to do something other than get an education
    But that's not an educational issue, it's a social/economic issue and can't be solved by changing the education system. It sure as hell isn't going to be solved by handing private companies a bigger bag of money to do the same thing public schools do now.
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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    But that's not an educational issue, it's a social/economic issue and can't be solved by changing the education system. It sure as hell isn't going to be solved by handing private companies a bigger bag of money to do the same thing public schools do now.
    here is how it does present an educational issue
    not being present to get an education themselves but being present - and often disruptive - impedes the learning of those other, younger students who are trying to receive an education
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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    This has nothing to do with willingness - it's about economic reality. I know you expect everyone to meet your strict requirements for living and loving but that ain't gonna' happen. Poor people made due as best they can and when they're working we ought to be helping them, not spitting on their efforts.
    No, it has everything to do with REALITY itself. You're arguing that stupid people are stupid and therefore we shouldn't criticize stupid people because stupid people might not like it. Life's a bitch. If our goal is to produce a workable, self-sustaining society where everyone is equal, then we all have to have equal obligations and expectations and one of those expectations is that people must act responsibly and make good decisions. Saying that the poor are too stupid to actually make good decisions is a pretty damning condemnation of the poor, isn't it?
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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    Actually if private school parents send their kids to a Catholic School, most likely they tithe their tuition and thus its a deduction for them. Public schools are an investment society makes in the next generation. Just like you don't get to opt out of paying for infrastructure you don't use, you don't get to opt out of paying for paying for public schools because for whatever reason you choose to send your kids to a private school.
    Not true in the least. Not one dime of my childrens tuition is a deduction. Also, if public schools were an investment then we should demand much better performance of the investment.
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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Not true in the least. Not one dime of my childrens tuition is a deduction. Also, if public schools were an investment then we should demand much better performance of the investment.
    I do demand performance out of local schools. All of my local schools are Distinguished. Every school in the district rates an 8 or higher (out of 10, 10 being the best), all of them rate in the top 800s or better in API (out of 1000, 1000 being the best). My local taxes go to support these schools and they are all doing quite well. Now when are the poor parents going to actually take an interest in making sure the schools in their areas are doing just as well?

    Hint... they won't.
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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    I do demand performance out of local schools. All of my local schools are Distinguished. Every school in the district rates an 8 or higher (out of 10, 10 being the best), all of them rate in the top 800s or better in API (out of 1000, 1000 being the best). My local taxes go to support these schools and they are all doing quite well. Now when are the poor parents going to actually take an interest in making sure the schools in their areas are doing just as well?
    Good, how many schools is that?

    Hint... they won't.
    Why won't they?
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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Yes, I support school choice. All families with school age children should receive an education stipened. The public schools should only be allowed to charge the cost of the stipend (essentially free public schooling for families) while private schools can charge what they want but have stipends used for education there. Homeschool families can use that money to educate their kids as well from home and to buy curricular materials.
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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Yes, I support school choice. All families with school age children should receive an education stipened. The public schools should only be allowed to charge the cost of the stipend (essentially free public schooling for families) while private schools can charge what they want but have stipends used for education there. Homeschool families can use that money to educate their kids as well from home and to buy curricular materials.
    Why should private schools be subsidized by the government? Vouchers are nothing more than a ploy to allow government money to be used in primarily religious institutions.....something that is clearly not allowed under the Constitution. Vouchers are a creative ploy to try to circumvent the constitution.
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