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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by AliHajiSheik View Post
    I guess it depends on what the requirements are. Why does the entity that provides maybe 2% of the revenue get to decide these standards even for the public schools. Just reduce the federal tax by that much and let the states and school districts decide whether to take up the tax on the local level where I believe the decision belongs.
    I would assume any State can opt out of Fed funding for K-12 just like they can for the Interstate system. Why aren't more doing so - for either system?
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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    in my berg they stay in school until the day they hit 22 years old - an age when their more ambitious peers are graduating from college
    until that time, school is a destination for socializing, dealing drugs, and making their mothers eligible for a larger aid check
    Interesting you would require attendance until they're that old. Seems like they could do what they want at 18, or at least 21.
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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    Only if—in a free, competitive market—a “decent chunk” of parents freely choose to send their children there.

    There is no reason why an inferior company should be propped up at the expense of a successful competitor. Let failures fail, and make more room for the successes.
    Since I have to live in a society with the results of these failures, I choose to be a bit more realistic in my proposal. The competitive model wouldn't work in every part of the country due to rural populations. Now if you can promise that anyone who fails out of school will get deported or something, I'll stick to my ideas.

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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Yes, within reason. I think there ought to be a minimum national curriculum that every school, public, private and home, is required to teach. They can teach other things but these are things that must be taught in order for a child to be considered educated. There are no exceptions. I think every student ought to be required at least once per year to go to a public school and take national placement tests to ensure they are actually learning this material. Any home schooled student that fails this test by a significant degree will not be permitted to be homeschooled any longer.
    My home schooled was required to take CATs (California Achievement Tests) every year. The CATs are approved by most states and required by some. Even with this testing and SAT scores, the local school district still would not recognize the results. There is a political/financial octopus involved that fights change and that is not new, but Online Education is going to put brick and mortar out of business unless brick and mortar wakes up and smells the coffee. Just to give relativity, my home schooler is now 17 and will have an Associates Degree in May (SUNY). She would have had this degree when she was 15 if the local school district had not prevented her from starting college at 13. The Local School District prevented a home schooled child from their District from entering College. Not the kind of thing you would expect to have happen. One expects encouragement.

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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    So the parent that work 12 hours a day and still qualifies for food stamps will also have to, what, quite their job to make sure their child gets to school? Tell their employer to **** off if that employer doesn't let them attend school functions like parent-teacher conferences and behavior talks with the principal? That doesn't seem reasonable for many situations unless you also force employers into the scheme so parents don't get fired.
    They will have to make some kind of adjustments so that their children get to school on time. Welcome to parenting. If they're not willing to be parents, why the hell did they have a kid in the first place?
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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Interesting you would require attendance until they're that old. Seems like they could do what they want at 18, or at least 21.
    no. attendance is not required. they could drop out. if they expended effort - a huge IF - they might even graduate (tho most aged 21 are without enough credits to fulfill graduation requirements even if they aced their final year's classes)
    the thugs are at school for three reasons: to socialize. to sell drugs. to be an enrolled student so their mom's assistance check is larger
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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    They will have to make some kind of adjustments so that their children get to school on time. Welcome to parenting. If they're not willing to be parents, why the hell did they have a kid in the first place?
    This has nothing to do with willingness - it's about economic reality. I know you expect everyone to meet your strict requirements for living and loving but that ain't gonna' happen. Poor people made due as best they can and when they're working we ought to be helping them, not spitting on their efforts.
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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    no. attendance is not required. they could drop out. if they expended effort - a huge IF - they might even graduate (tho most aged 21 are without enough credits to fulfill graduation requirements even if they aced their final year's classes)
    the thugs are at school for three reasons: to socialize. to sell drugs. to be an enrolled student so their mom's assistance check is larger
    The first applies to almost all kids. Socializing is a part of school.

    The second applies to many kids that aren't thugs. I'd be surprised if there was no drug use at any school except the most lofty of private schools.

    The last I've never heard of, so I'll have to think about it. I've not paid much attention to the specifics of public assistance for a few decades. I know many things have changed.
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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    I would assume any State can opt out of Fed funding for K-12 just like they can for the Interstate system. Why aren't more doing so - for either system?
    Because they can't opt out of the money collected that pays the funding. They want to collect their share, so they hold their nose and take the money.

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