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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by AliHajiSheik View Post
    I can see your point somewhat although not all Federal money has the same kinds of strings attached ( Archived: 10 Fact About K-12 Education Funding).
    Good info, thanks!

    ESEA authorizes grants for elementary and secondary school programs for children of low-income families; school library resources, textbooks and other instructional materials; supplemental education centers and services; strengthening state education agencies; education research; and professional development for teachers.
    Some of those are per student outlays and others aren't. I suppose the part that is per student could follow the student but the requirements for the private school would be up to the Fed.



    Quote Originally Posted by AliHajiSheik View Post
    If it is in the interest of the state to have an educated population, which I think it is, and taxes are collected for that purpose, I don't have a problem with some of the money following the student without the strings you want to have attached. As the educator of last resort, I think the public schools should still get a decent chunk of the tax dollars.
    I see no reason to allow a private school to skimp on requirements if they get public funding.
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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    Perhaps they'd be able to afford private schools if their parents weren't being forced through taxation to pay for the failing public schools.
    I think not having to pay taxes for public schools might defray the cost of private education a little bit, but we're talking about something on the order of tuition ranging between $8000 and $20,000 per year (K-12) depending on the private school (Catholic schools being a bit less expensive).

    Just split the difference, erring on the conservative side, and call it $12,000 a year for an "average" private school education.

    Most Americans aren't paying anywhere near that in total taxes, and as we know, "47%" have an effective income tax rate of $0 so there's no money for them there, unless we're going to talk about credits.

    I'd hazard to guess that folks falling into the $0 effective income tax basket aren't paying enough property tax to see a $12,000 a year benefit in reduced taxation.
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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tetelestai View Post
    Actually, if there was competition, I believe that the teachers will get better and money will be used more wisely. The teachers that get laid off can get jobs in the schools that are growing due to school choice. That, of course, will mean that they have to be good teachers. I think most teachers are/ want to be good. But the problem with their performance is the bureaucracy that is the teachers unions.

    My question is for you is... Are you saying that we have to keep all the kids in the failing school to protect the jobs of those that are causing it to be a failing school?
    That's not really what I'm asking ... let me restate it?

    If a failing public school loses enrollment, and thus loses federal money & the ability to hire good teachers; what happens to the kids that CAN'T move? I don't care about the teachers or their jobs. I'm asking what's the solution for the kids that CAN'T afford to seek out another "better" school, when they've been left behind by all the kids that CAN afford it?
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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    You forgot one important component: the policy of every inner-city public school to keep thugs in the classroom so they can get their per-pupil reimbursement.
    forgotten so soon, maggie ... no thug left behind
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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Why would a 16 yo thug stay in school?
    I don't presume to know. But if they aren't, please to tell me why Chicago inner-city high schools have two coppers on duty full-time? Dozens of security guard? Surveillance cameras? Metal detectors? Why do 20% of all juvie arrests in the City of Chicago occur on school property? Why are 14% of students in four high schools in CPS likely to be victims on violent crime on school property? By other students?

    It isn't because the thugs stay home.

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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    I see no reason to allow a private school to skimp on requirements if they get public funding.
    I guess it depends on what the requirements are. Why does the entity that provides maybe 2% of the revenue get to decide these standards even for the public schools. Just reduce the federal tax by that much and let the states and school districts decide whether to take up the tax on the local level where I believe the decision belongs.

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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Why would a 16 yo thug stay in school?
    in my berg they stay in school until the day they hit 22 years old - an age when their more ambitious peers are graduating from college
    until that time, school is a destination for socializing, dealing drugs, and making their mothers eligible for a larger aid check
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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I don't presume to know. But if they aren't, please to tell me why Chicago inner-city high schools have two coppers on duty full-time? Surveillance cameras? Metal detectors? Why do 20% of all juvie arrests in the City of Chicago occur on school property? Why are 14% of students in four high schools in CPS likely to be victims on violent crime on school property? By other students?

    It isn't because the thugs stay home.
    Because 20% of all juvie's are in school? 13-15 yo's should make up about half the juvie population (should be slightly more than half, actually), so 20% isn't bad, really. They're pretty easy to catch in school, not many places to run or hide.

    If it's 14% in school, what is it outside of school in those same areas?

    All 13-15 yo's are required to attend school, including the "thugs". (I did list required attendance as one of the things you can point your finger at.) Should we let them run the streets, instead? That way they can get involved in adult crime at an earlier age.
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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by AliHajiSheik View Post
    As the educator of last resort, I think the public schools should still get a decent chunk of the tax dollars.
    Only if—in a free, competitive market—a “decent chunk” of parents freely choose to send their children there.

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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    Schools should not be motivated soley by profit.
    They absolutely should. Profits are proof of social service.

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