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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    Not really. If the child has a good academic and discipline record and if the parent pays school taxes to the district of the school they attend, it would be ok. I also don't mind tuitioning as long as the tuition is equal to what residents in that district pay in school taxes and the student meets the previous restrictions on performance and behavior.

    Personally, I hate the way I see things done. Students with exceptional IQs should not have to attend a school catering to "normals". There should be at least two options in schools in any areas, exceptional potential and all others. If possible, three would be best. Non-exceptional-non-college bound, Non-exceptional-college bound and Exceptional. This would of course require the way school districts, at least in Texas, get their money and would require a more centralized control statewide instead of independent districts.

    A forth option could also be added, "IQ doesn't matter your parents are liberal/leftist idiots and if you follow them you will end up a low wage moron anyway" could be the 4th type of school available. Basically, children of Liberals/leftist would be required to attend inner-city welfare district schools so that they will learn the life skills need for where they will likely end up.
    You could just do statewide funding per student like we do here then they can attend any school they want. There problem solved. They do have schools that specialize in certain things in large cities like Toronto. Some of our inner-city schools are pretty good and most are better than rural schools.

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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by AliHajiSheik View Post
    A whole lot of info that doesn't really address my point. In my school district, revenues were $18,000 per student. Of that 79.5% ($14,292) was local, 18.5% ($3325) was state and 2% was federal ($359) was federal. Why couldn't the $3684 ($3325+$359) follow the student where ever they may attend school (assuming in the same state)?
    All of it addressed your point - but I'll try again. The Fed money pays for Fed programs - it's not a per-student distribution and, as such, shouldn't be following a student unless they're participating in those programs. If private schools don't support those programs then they should not get the money for them. And example of a Fed program paid by the Fed is JROTC. If a private school doesn't offer JROTC then they shouldn't get moeny for it, either. I can't make it any more plain than that.


    As for State money, that's up to each state. I don't think we should be giving money to private schools but we are trying charter schools in some districts that can't meet state standards/accreditation. If state money does go to private schools at some point, then those schools should have to meet all the standards of public schools including open enrollment.
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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    You forgot one important component: the policy of every inner-city public school to keep thugs in the classroom so they can get their per-pupil reimbursement.
    I see no reason that would change with private schools if they were publicly funded. They'd still be getting paid on a per student basis, wouldn't they?

    A no child (at least here) is required to attend school after 16, so those "thugs" you're talking about must be 15 or younger. I doubt the 16 and up "thugs" would bother.
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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Oh, I think that ought to stop. In fact, I think that anyone who is expelled from school and they or their parents are receiving any public money on their behalf, that money ought to dry up. These parents need a strong incentive to keep their kids on the straight and narrow. Kicking the parents in the pocketbook for failing to control their spawn is a fine idea. Failure ought to hurt.
    So the parent that work 12 hours a day and still qualifies for food stamps will also have to, what, quite their job to make sure their child gets to school? Tell their employer to **** off if that employer doesn't let them attend school functions like parent-teacher conferences and behavior talks with the principal? That doesn't seem reasonable for many situations unless you also force employers into the scheme so parents don't get fired.
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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by brothern View Post
    You missed the point of my question. If a failing public school loses enrollment, and thus loses federal money & the ability to hire good teachers; what happens to the kids that CAN'T move?

    I don't care about the teachers. I'm wondering what your solution is for the kids that can't afford private schools, or can't afford to move to another school?
    Perhaps they'd be able to afford private schools if their parents weren't being forced through taxation to pay for the failing public schools.
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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    I see no reason that would change with private schools if they were publicly funded. They'd still be getting paid on a per student basis, wouldn't they?

    A no child (at least here) is required to attend school after 16, so those "thugs" you're talking about must be 15 or younger. I doubt the 16 and up "thugs" would bother.
    If people got to spend that money as a voucher, they wouldn't put their kids into schools that did that. As to the 16-and-up thugs not bothering? Are you saying that inner-city high schools only have kids 16 and younger? Thugs stay in school if you're counting their warm bodies in the seats.

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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    Perhaps they'd be able to afford private schools if their parents weren't being forced through taxation to pay for the failing public schools.
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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    All of it addressed your point - but I'll try again. The Fed money pays for Fed programs - it's not a per-student distribution and, as such, shouldn't be following a student unless they're participating in those programs. If private schools don't support those programs then they should not get the money for them. And example of a Fed program paid by the Fed is JROTC. If a private school doesn't offer JROTC then they shouldn't get moeny for it, either. I can't make it any more plain than that.


    As for State money, that's up to each state. I don't think we should be giving money to private schools but we are trying charter schools in some districts that can't meet state standards/accreditation. If state money does go to private schools at some point, then those schools should have to meet all the standards of public schools including open enrollment.
    I can see your point somewhat although not all Federal money has the same kinds of strings attached ( Archived: 10 Fact About K-12 Education Funding).

    If it is in the interest of the state to have an educated population, which I think it is, and taxes are collected for that purpose, I don't have a problem with some of the money following the student without the strings you want to have attached. As the educator of last resort, I think the public schools should still get a decent chunk of the tax dollars.

    The same principal is applied here in PA. When far enough away from school, all students get bussed regardless of public or private. I don't think that is the case in many places.

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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    If people got to spend that money as a voucher, they wouldn't put their kids into schools that did that. As to the 16-and-up thugs not bothering? Are you saying that inner-city high schools only have kids 16 and younger? Thugs stay in school if you're counting their warm bodies in the seats.
    Why would a 16 yo thug stay in school?
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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Those on the left are wise to warn us of the abusive power of monopolies.

    It is unfortunate that they are blind to the same possibilities when those monopolies are major political supporters . But, I suppose, humanly understandable.


    Parents should have the right to choose where their children go to school. If this results in schools that aren't teaching kids dying off.... well, good. Get those kids out of those crap holes as fast as possible.


    However, that isn't going to uniquely solve our education crises - which is at least equally a social crises. Single parents simply don't have the same free time and energy to dedicate to little junior's studies as married parents do - and they are also more likely to be relatively uneducated (and thus less likely to be able to, or even see the need to) themselves. The increasing portion of our populace being raised in these families decrees the continuation of an education crises no matter how many improvements we make to our system of provision.


    BUT, you can't change that strictly with policy. You CAN improve our provision of education with policy. So, focus on what you can do instead of letting the mythical perfect being the enemy of the good

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