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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by HonestJoe View Post
    I neither support or oppose school choice as such, but I certainly don't see it as the magical solution to the wider problems with any education system. While there is a fixed supply and quality of education provision, any time one child is offered a "better" place, all the other children between them get shuffled down a step.

    In real-world practice, such systems just mean the parents with the time, money, ability and determination can lock out all the best places. Once they have them, they've no interest in improving the wider system, only maintaining the status quo. It's even explicitly stated sometimes, with suggestions that "bad" schools are actively denied resources and allowed to die out, ignoring the harm to all of the children attending them while this is happening. A lot of the people (especially parents) strongly supporting choice see themselves in this position (regardless of whether they recognise or admit it). They wouldn't stand for it if their children were at one of these "bad" schools being slowly wound down but don't seem concerned about other children in that situation.

    There is plenty to fix and improve in education but I don't see this as the way to do it. It's about "my children", not "our children".
    What's wrong with "parents who have the time, money, ability and determination" seeing that their children get the best education possible? Or should everyone be forced to settle for mediocre?

    If public schools had to compete for students, public schools would change.

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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    I support parents being able to send their kids to public schools, private schools, magnet schools, or homeschooling if they choose to do so. I only think vouchers should be available when the local public school system is failing. Otherwise if you want your kids to go to a private school, it should be fully on your own dime. It seems to me that many of the people that are in favor of vouchers are not parents in the inner city, though some of them are for good reason, but rather conservative evangelicals and fundamentalists that oppose teaching evolution and other aspects of modern science in school and thus want the taxpayers to pick up the tab for their kids to go to a religious school that shares their views. For example, the public school district our kids are in outperforms every private school in the metro by every statistical measure, yet you have fundamentalists in the district that want a voucher system because they want to send their kids to a school that teaches creationism.
    Who gets to decide what "failing" means? If one student is permitted to graduate HS, while reading at only an 8th grade level, then that school system has failed, IMHO. To say that if 80% are performing at grade level then that school is "passing", only applies to that 80% - the other 20%, of the students, are being failed by that "satisfactory" public school.
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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    I know, private school parents pay for everyone's kids to go to school through taxation, and they pay for their kid to go to school with after tax funds.
    Actually if private school parents send their kids to a Catholic School, most likely they tithe their tuition and thus its a deduction for them. Public schools are an investment society makes in the next generation. Just like you don't get to opt out of paying for infrastructure you don't use, you don't get to opt out of paying for paying for public schools because for whatever reason you choose to send your kids to a private school.
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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    Actually if private school parents send their kids to a Catholic School, most likely they tithe their tuition and thus its a deduction for them. Public schools are an investment society makes in the next generation. Just like you don't get to opt out of paying for infrastructure you don't use, you don't get to opt out of paying for paying for public schools because for whatever reason you choose to send your kids to a private school.
    "Actually if private school parents send their kids to a Catholic School, most likely they tithe their tuition and thus its a deduction for them."

    Sorry, no, it is not tax deductible.

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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    What's wrong with "parents who have the time, money, ability and determination" seeing that their children get the best education possible? Or should everyone be forced to settle for mediocre?

    If public schools had to compete for students, public schools would change.
    Allow me to chime in both as a parent and as a 33 year former teacher in the public system. Of course, every parent has the right and duty to see that the education given to their child is the best that they can possibly give them. And if that means a school other than the local public school - so be it.

    At the same time, we also have to accept and realize that there is a societal price to pay for that. The most motivated parents leave the public system and the contribution they could have made to that local public school is often never replaced or made by the less motivated or less educated or less involved parent who is still in the public system.

    You multiply that times hundreds and thousands and millions and it becomes just like a big city like Detroit losing the tax payers over time and only keeping those who pay little but absorb much services. it has to have an overall negative effect on the system and on society.

    It is not a win/win situation.

    Maggie - I was a longtime union activist who went to the monthly meetings and screamed that the union get involved in improving the schools and setting high standards when the administration refused to do so. I was repeatedly told that such things were beyond the scope of unions. Thankfully, in the last ten years, this has started to change and now improving schools is seen as union business by the two major educational unions. Sadly, the damage has been done and for some districts, the situation may be impossible to reverse.
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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    I know, private school parents pay for everyone's kids to go to school through taxation, and they pay for their kid to go to school with after tax funds.
    As it should be.
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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    I believe that there should be a limited version of school choice. I would definitely support the ability for parents to choose which school in the district their child attends. I grew up in a city with 7 elementary schools. The city was divided geographically as to who attended which elementary school. I would support parents having the right to choose which elementary school their kids attended. HOWEVER, I would also support the school district forcing the parents to either get the child to/from that school on their own or charge them the difference in expense for transportation if their choice is not their local school. I would not suggest that moving kids beyond their normal school district as a good idea.

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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by AliHajiSheik View Post
    "Actually if private school parents send their kids to a Catholic School, most likely they tithe their tuition and thus its a deduction for them."

    Sorry, no, it is not tax deductible.
    I went to catholic school for part of my childhood. Many parishes allow you to tithe rather than pay tuition. If you tithe, its tax deductible.
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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    What's wrong with "parents who have the time, money, ability and determination" seeing that their children get the best education possible? Or should everyone be forced to settle for mediocre?

    If public schools had to compete for students, public schools would change.
    You can send your child to any school you want, just don't expect tax money to do so. Even though my child is grown I still have a say in our public schools. The same is not true of private schools.
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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    I went to catholic school for part of my childhood. Many parishes allow you to tithe rather than pay tuition. If you tithe, its tax deductible.
    Not saying some parents don't try, but it is not tax deductible the way you describe it: http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-tege/rr83-104.pdf

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