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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Not really. If the child has a good academic and discipline record and if the parent pays school taxes to the district of the school they attend, it would be ok. I also don't mind tuitioning as long as the tuition is equal to what residents in that district pay in school taxes and the student meets the previous restrictions on performance and behavior.

    Personally, I hate the way I see things done. Students with exceptional IQs should not have to attend a school catering to "normals". There should be at least two options in schools in any areas, exceptional potential and all others. If possible, three would be best. Non-exceptional-non-college bound, Non-exceptional-college bound and Exceptional. This would of course require the way school districts, at least in Texas, get their money and would require a more centralized control statewide instead of independent districts.

    A forth option could also be added, "IQ doesn't matter your parents are liberal/leftist idiots and if you follow them you will end up a low wage moron anyway" could be the 4th type of school available. Basically, children of Liberals/leftist would be required to attend inner-city welfare district schools so that they will learn the life skills need for where they will likely end up.
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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    Not really. If the child has a good academic and discipline record and if the parent pays school taxes to the district of the school they attend, it would be ok. I also don't mind tuitioning as long as the tuition is equal to what residents in that district pay in school taxes and the student meets the previous restrictions on performance and behavior.

    Personally, I hate the way I see things done. Students with exceptional IQs should not have to attend a school catering to "normals". There should be at least two options in schools in any areas, exceptional potential and all others. If possible, three would be best. Non-exceptional-non-college bound, Non-exceptional-college bound and Exceptional. This would of course require the way school districts, at least in Texas, get their money and would require a more centralized control statewide instead of independent districts.


    A forth [sic] option could also be added, "IQ doesn't matter your parents are liberal/leftist idiots and if you follow them you will end up a low wage moron anyway" could be the 4th type of school available. Basically, children of Liberals/leftist would be required to attend inner-city welfare district schools so that they will learn the life skills need for where they will likely end up.
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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    What skills can such a school teach, that will be useful in prison?
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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    But, of course, under the current liberal system, it would never be implemented because it makes sense. Responsibility is a bad word for the liberals.
    Absolutely.

    What about the chillllldrennnn????

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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Absolutely.

    What about the chillllldrennnn????
    It will be good for the children. In fact, it will produce more intelligent, rational, critical thinking children. That's something the political powers that be fear.
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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    i've seen repeated bashing of the teachers' unions, as if they were the problem causing poor educational outcomes
    but look at the student performance scores from states with teachers unions and those without, and for the most part, states with teachers' unions performed better - according to student testing outcomes - than schools in states that are without such unions
    that tells me the teachers' unions are not the problem with the ed system

    This is a long read, but very enlightening. It is very objective by pointing out the pro's and cons of unionized and un- unionized schools. In my opinion, I still think teachers unions are a burden on the elderly and disabled. They, according to this paper, increase total spending with little or no real impact on student achievement. They also fight changing the tax structure that would allow the elderly and disabled to be exempt from property taxes that would allow them to stay in their homes. How would you like to be on a limited income and then be forced from your home because the teachers wanted a raise in salary? That is what many elderly and disabled face in unionized school districts today... including the one where I live. I know a teacher in a non- unionized school district. They have performance levels ABOVE that of where I live and the tax structure exempts the elderly and disabled from property taxes. They aren't losing their homes to make life better for the teachers. It's not fair or equitable for teachers to demand the elderly and disabled to lose their homes and go live with family or in the homeless shelter. Or, short of that, to skip their medication and/ or eat dog food because they can't afford real food and/ or their medications. Give them a break!

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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by brothern View Post
    I have a question. Clarification on your opinion, actually.

    What happens to the kids whose parents can't afford to move out of a failing school? - parents with restrictive jobs, rural schools, widowed/divorced parent homes, etc. Say a school of 500 students loses half of its funding and most of its teachers because 300 kids leave; and then the school gets even worse. What do the remaining 200 kids that can't move do? Suck it up, or something?
    Actually, if there was competition, I believe that the teachers will get better and money will be used more wisely. The teachers that get laid off can get jobs in the schools that are growing due to school choice. That, of course, will mean that they have to be good teachers. I think most teachers are/ want to be good. But the problem with their performance is the bureaucracy that is the teachers unions.

    My question is for you is... Are you saying that we have to keep all the kids in the failing school to protect the jobs of those that are causing it to be a failing school?

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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    i've seen repeated bashing of the teachers' unions, as if they were the problem causing poor educational outcomes
    but look at the student performance scores from states with teachers unions and those without, and for the most part, states with teachers' unions performed better - according to student testing outcomes - than schools in states that are without such unions
    that tells me the teachers' unions are not the problem with the ed system
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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    You say poorer families should pay more to come to richer schools.
    The poor schools are poorer because of lower property values.
    Got catch-22 ?
    Look at it from the obverse.

    The high performing schools aren't performing well because they exist in a vacuum.

    A lot of it has to do with the money the community is pumping into the school, and a lot of it has to do with the type of people living in the community.

    Dilute the school with a lot of out-of-towners and take away the funding and all you'll accomplish is turning the high performing school into the kind of school people are sending their kids there from out of town in order to avoid.
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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tetelestai View Post
    Actually, if there was competition, I believe that the teachers will get better and money will be used more wisely. The teachers that get laid off can get jobs in the schools that are growing due to school choice. That, of course, will mean that they have to be good teachers. I think most teachers are/ want to be good. But the problem with their performance is the bureaucracy that is the teachers unions.

    My question is for you is... Are you saying that we have to keep all the kids in the failing school to protect the jobs of those that are causing it to be a failing school?
    You missed the point of my question. If a failing public school loses enrollment, and thus loses federal money & the ability to hire good teachers; what happens to the kids that CAN'T move?

    I don't care about the teachers. I'm wondering what your solution is for the kids that can't afford private schools, or can't afford to move to another school?
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