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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    So you're not on the ground dealing with real-life school situations .
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    No, I'm not.
    Schools need to strive to be competitive so that people will want to send their kids there.
    Have you been involved with the school changes since the 1970's with SLO's heading into Madeline Hunter's Theory of Learning?
    Sending kids to substandard schools and rob them of an education screws them for life.
    Do you have any idea what disadvantages these screwed kids have coming from home?
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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    So you're not on the ground dealing with real-life school situations . Have you been involved with the school changes since the 1970's with SLO's heading into Madeline Hunter's Theory of Learning?

    Do you have any idea what disadvantages these screwed kids have coming from home?
    Is that really your question? Why, YES, I have been involved with school changes since the 1970's, especially with SLO's and even Madeline Hunter's Theory of Learning!

    You're just a statist that wants to prevent parents from selecting their kids schools.
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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Yes, within reason. I think there ought to be a minimum national curriculum that every school, public, private and home, is required to teach. They can teach other things but these are things that must be taught in order for a child to be considered educated. There are no exceptions. I think every student ought to be required at least once per year to go to a public school and take national placement tests to ensure they are actually learning this material. Any home schooled student that fails this test by a significant degree will not be permitted to be homeschooled any longer.
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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    You're just a statist that wants to prevent parents from selecting their kids schools.
    Not everyone who disagrees with you is a dirty evil authoritarian statist.

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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Robbie Loucks View Post
    Not everyone who disagrees with you is a dirty evil authoritarian statist.
    Of course not, but in this case it just might be. If children in a poor neighborhood can't get a proper education because the local school is abysmal, why shouldn't they be able to go to another school? Why would you want to force someone into that?
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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    You can point the finger a lot of different places on that one. Which one would you like to pick? Apathetic parents? Terrible working conditions, which means lower quality teachers? The required education commitment our society has? Inner-city flight, which was caused by cheap gas and racism/ignorance? You can even blame our economic system. Take your pick or add your own, lots of blame to go around.
    You forgot one important component: the policy of every inner-city public school to keep thugs in the classroom so they can get their per-pupil reimbursement.

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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    You forgot one important component: the policy of every inner-city public school to keep thugs in the classroom so they can get their per-pupil reimbursement.
    Oh, I think that ought to stop. In fact, I think that anyone who is expelled from school and they or their parents are receiving any public money on their behalf, that money ought to dry up. These parents need a strong incentive to keep their kids on the straight and narrow. Kicking the parents in the pocketbook for failing to control their spawn is a fine idea. Failure ought to hurt.
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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    The emphasis for improving education should be on making all public schools equally high quality. Resources should not be directed towards providing more choices until the quality level is excellent and equally good throughout the USA. If anything, more resources should be provided to the schools with the most difficult students such as the poor, English learners and the children of uneducated parents.

    I do not support vouchers for private schools and I am also opposed to charter schools and most other special schools. Those special schools provide an illusion of progress by selecting their students and by attracting the parents and students most likely to succeed. Both vouchers and charter schools reinforce educational inequality and serve a hidden agenda to bust unions, privatize education and provide taxpayer funding for religious organizations. The voucher scheme is also a gift to those religious groups that are opposed to providing the scientific facts about evolution and sexuality in the schools.

    I compare vouchers to the following situation: A small town has problems with the quality of the water it provides to residents. Instead of directly addressing the cause of the quality problem it subsidizes coupons sent to residents so that they can get a discount on the purchase of bottled water. The result is that the wealthier people in town buy more bottled water, the poor still can't afford bottled water even with the discount, and the quality of the publicly provided water never improves because all of the money that could have been used for improvements was spent on subsidizing the coupons.
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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Oh, I think that ought to stop. In fact, I think that anyone who is expelled from school and they or their parents are receiving any public money on their behalf, that money ought to dry up. These parents need a strong incentive to keep their kids on the straight and narrow. Kicking the parents in the pocketbook for failing to control their spawn is a fine idea. Failure ought to hurt.
    I couldn't agree with you more. And your solution? Perfect!

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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I couldn't agree with you more. And your solution? Perfect!
    But, of course, under the current liberal system, it would never be implemented because it makes sense. Responsibility is a bad word for the liberals.
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