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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    Sounds good, just let them opt out of taxes paying for other kids.
    I agree.

    I also agree with open enrollment in respect to public schools, but with a caveat.

    Better performing public schools are frequently better performing because they're situated in more affluent communities where higher property taxes allow for greater school funding.

    If a family from a less affluent community wants to avail themselves of open enrollment then they should be required to pay whatever per capita portion of property taxes it is that the more affluent community allots to its public schools.

    Just as a "for instance", the average property tax burden in Passaic County NJ is a hair over $8000 a year.

    I live in, and deliberately bought in, a community with among the most highly ranked K-8 public school systems in Passaic County and in NJ.

    In an average year $8500 of my property taxes goes to the school system so I'm paying a greater share of taxes just for these good schools than the average Passaic County homeowner is paying in total.

    I have no problem letting other kids into the school system, so long as my neighbors and I aren't footing the bill for them to attend.
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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Yes or no?
    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    Oh, you don't know. That answers the question quite well.
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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    You say poorer families should pay more to come to richer schools.
    The poor schools are poorer because of lower property values.
    Got catch-22 ?
    Quote Originally Posted by soot View Post
    I agree.

    I also agree with open enrollment in respect to public schools, but with a caveat.

    Better performing public schools are frequently better performing because they're situated in more affluent communities where higher property taxes allow for greater school funding.

    If a family from a less affluent community wants to avail themselves of open enrollment then they should be required to pay whatever per capita portion of property taxes it is that the more affluent community allots to its public schools.

    Just as a "for instance", the average property tax burden in Passaic County NJ is a hair over $8000 a year.

    I live in, and deliberately bought in, a community with among the most highly ranked K-8 public school systems in Passaic County and in NJ.

    In an average year $8500 of my property taxes goes to the school system so I'm paying a greater share of taxes just for these good schools than the average Passaic County homeowner is paying in total.

    I have no problem letting other kids into the school system, so long as my neighbors and I aren't footing the bill for them to attend.
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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Do you support school choice?

    Yes
    Yes but with certain exceptions. Please list those exceptions.
    no, students should only go to schools in their public school district.
    other
    maybe


    School choice - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Open enrollment

    Open enrollment refers to educational policies which allow residents of a state to enroll their children in any public school, provided the school has not reached its maximum capacity number for students, regardless of the school district in which a family resides.
    Open enrollment can be either intra-district or inter-district. Intra-district choice allows parents to send their children to any school within their designated district. Parents can enroll their children in schools outside of their catchment area. Inter-district school choice allows parents to select public schools outside of their resident district.[1]
    Inequality of Open Enrollment

    An open enrollment policy allows parents to choose the school they want their children to attend from any of the schools in their area, provided there is space for them. This definition gives the impression that everyone has an equal opportunity to choose a school, but the reality of such equality has been called into question.[2] For example, in rural areas the option of taking advantage of open enrollment is greatly diminished because of limited access to alternate schools.


    Vouchers

    Main article: School voucher
    When the government pays tuition to a private school on behalf of the parents, this is usually referred to as a voucher. A voucher is given to the family for them to spend at any school of their choice for their child's study. The two most common voucher designs are universal vouchers and means-tested vouchers. Means-tested vouchers are directed towards low-income families and constitute the bulk of voucher plans in the United States.
    Tuition tax credits

    A tuition tax credit is similar to most other familiar tax credits. Certain states allow individuals and/or businesses to deduct a certain amount of their income taxes to donate to education. Depending on the program, these donations can either go to a public school or to a School Tuition Organization (STO), or both. The donations that go to public schools are often used to help pay for after-school programs, schools trips, or school supplies. The donations that go to School Tuition Organizations are used by the STO to create scholarships that are then given to students. These programs currently exist in Arizona, Florida, Illinois, Iowa, Minnesota, Pennsylvania and Rhode Island in the United States.[8]
    Charter schools

    Main article: Charter school
    Charter schools are public schools with more relaxed rules and regulations. These relaxed rules tend to deal with things like Teacher Union contracts and state curriculum. The majority of states (and the District of Columbia) have charter school laws. Minnesota was the first state to have a charter school law and the first charter school in the United States, City Academy High School, opened in St. Paul, Minnesota in 1992.[9]
    Dayton, Ohio has between 22–26% of all children in charter schools.[10] This is the highest percentage in the nation. Other hotbeds for charter schools are Kansas City (24%), Washington, D.C. (20-24%) and Arizona. Almost 1 in 4 public schools in Arizona are charter schools, comprising about 8% of total enrollment.
    Charter schools can also come in the form of Cyber Charters. Cyber charter schools deliver the majority of their instruction over the internet instead of in a school building. And, like charter schools, they are public schools, but free of many of the rules and regulations that public schools must follow.
    Magnet schools

    Main article: Magnet school
    Magnet schools are public schools that often have a specialized function like science, technology or art. These magnet schools, unlike charter schools, are not open to all children. Much like many private schools, there are some (but not all) magnet schools that require a test to get in.
    Home schooling

    Main article: Homeschooling
    "Home education" or "home schooling" is instruction in a child's home, or provided primarily by a parent, or under direct parental control. Informal home education has always taken place, and formal instruction in the home has at times also been very popular. As public education grew in popularity during the 1900s, however, the number of people educated at home using a planned curriculum dropped. In the last 20 years, in contrast, the number of children being formally educated at home has grown tremendously, in particular in the United States. The laws relevant to home education differ throughout the country. In some states the parent simply needs to notify the state that the child will be educated at home. In other states the parents are not free to educate at home unless at least one parent is a certified teacher and yearly progress reports are reviewed by the state. Such laws are not always enforced however. According to the federal government, about 1.1 million children were home educated in 2003.[11]




    I do support school choice.The future of our kids is more important than any job security of any teacher. We can not wait until they fix **** at the local level while our children's education suffers because unions do not want to allow us to easily fire bad teachers or reform their teaching programs. Plus the tax dollars used to educate that child should follow that child regardless if that child goes to a public school,charter school or a voucher for a private school.
    I oppose vouchers, but other than that, sure. In fact, I would love to see more "magnet schools", including potentially some public ones. They can be a great way to give kids a head start in a chosen field.
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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Do you support parents taking their taxes to the private schools?
    do you support giving these parents even more money beyond their taxes?
    do you support the lowering of already low wages in the countryside for teachers with privatization?
    I support a full voucher system, where every child is assigned an education voucher, and the parents can select any of the public or private schools in the area.
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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Where does the money for the voucher come from ?
    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    I support a full voucher system, where every child is assigned an education voucher, and the parents can select any of the public or private schools in the area.
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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    I support a full voucher system, where every child is assigned an education voucher, and the parents can select any of the public or private schools in the area.
    I sort of agree. I think all schools should be accredited so that we can be sure they provide a decent education that a state college would accept without remedial classes provided the student makes adequate grades.

    If you don't than a lot of scams are going to pop up and a lot of parents aren't knowledgeable enough to tell the difference.

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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Where does the money for the voucher come from ?
    Taxes, the same place it comes from now.

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    I sort of agree. I think all schools should be accredited so that we can be sure they provide a decent education that a state college would accept without remedial classes provided the student makes adequate grades.

    If you don't than a lot of scams are going to pop up and a lot of parents aren't knowledgeable enough to tell the difference.
    I agree 100%. To be eligible to accept the voucher an institution would have to be accredited. Not any yahoo can open a school and start collecting checks.
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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by AliHajiSheik View Post
    I would think that you vote on local funds that are dedicated for schools, but I can only presume that you also get state funds which theoretically could follow the student, and federal funds which also could theoretically follow the student. Perhaps it is those funds which could follow the student and if there is any difference between the local school option for parents, then they could either pay or get back the difference.

    Perhaps this could be one of those compromise thingies people keep referring to.
    Fed money is only 2% of our budget and pays for Fed programs. I somehow doubt a (normal) private school will have JROTC, for example. I'd bet private schools with those Fed programs already get Fed money. I'm pretty sure Wentworth Military Academy gets Fed money and it's private.
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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    Taxes, the same place it comes from now..
    States and the Federal government are in debt, from what I hear from the GOP.
    Yet they want another government program .
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