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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    It's not "tax money." It's my money.
    We could have fifty threads covering that discussion - but that's not the focus of this thread. It's also MY money and I will never have another child in the school system.

    However, I can still attend school board meetings, make comments and suggestions, petition for changes - almost (but not quite) everything a parent can do. In addition, I vote for school board members every 2 years, so I'm helping to decide who runs the school system that's getting public money. I have none of those options at all at a private school.
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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    Perhaps, but I prefer a system that provides people with the ability to make their own choices about how to use their limited means, not one in which these choices are made for them by others.

    By not taking away people's ability to choose, schools are required to compete with other schools for customers. When firms have to compete against other firms for customers, quality rises and prices fall.

    The decision to have a public school system accessible to all was not one of individual choice but of societal choice . Public schools are NOT private firms and should not be compared to them.

    Theory - and that is what you are presenting us with - fails miserable in real life if the choice is between crap and manure or between mediocrity and more mediocrity. Sadly, that is often the choice between the public and private school.

    I strongly suspect based on my 33 years experience in the public school system plus my years of experience in state government, that if you took many Detroit parents who now have kids in charter schools and told them they could send their kids to Grosse Point Public Schools - they would be there in a heartbeat. But that is not the choice they have.

    On the other side of town there was a popular minister named Horace Sheffield who opened up his own mega charter school several years ago. He made lots of money and ran it into the ground and it closed after less than five years in business. In Detroit - this happens far too frequently.

    So this mantra of CHOICE - is often not cracked up to what it is advertised at. And like I said - if you look into why the charter movement changed their main theme of operation - it will reveal tons of secrets about the real motivation behind many of them. But that does require looking behind the meme of the moment.
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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    I have none of those options at all at a private school.
    You have all of these options, it is accomplished by choosing to pay for them or not.

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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    Why should a consumer have to pay twice, for a service that he receives once?
    I don't even receive it once. What makes parents so special?
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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    You have all of these options, it is accomplished by choosing to pay for them or not.
    I choose not to give any tax money to private schools. So does the vast majority of the population where I live. Problem solved.
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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    We could have fifty threads covering that discussion - but that's not the focus of this thread. It's also MY money and I will never have another child in the school system.

    However, I can still attend school board meetings, make comments and suggestions, petition for changes - almost (but not quite) everything a parent can do. In addition, I vote for school board members every 2 years, so I'm helping to decide who runs the school system that's getting public money. I have none of those options at all at a private school.
    So. Are you the guy we should blame for crappy inner-city schools?

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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    I choose not to give any tax money to private schools.
    Congrats, I see you like that you have that choice.

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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    In order for me to agree with you, I'd need to know by what criteria you categorize a particular good as infrastructure.

    I can't see any good reason to establish a monopoly socialized firm as opposed to multiple competing private firms competing against each other to offer the best quality and price.
    Its obviously subjective. However, I see infrastructure as investments a community, state, or nation makes that benefit all of its citizens and foster economic growth: roads, airports, railways, and an educated workforce.
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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    It's not enough just to “Like” this. This needs to be repeated and emphasized.

    Statists think of tax money as money that belongs to the state, and which the state is entitled to collect and use as it sees fit, regardless of the interests of those who are forced to pay it.

    That's wrong.

    Tax money belongs to the people from whom it is taken, and those people are entitled to have that money used to their benefit.

    When the state collects taxes, and then uses them in a way that does not benefit the people from whom these taxes are collected, then the state is simply stealing. That's not legitimate government; that's crime under the false guise of government.
    Where I live we vote on school taxes and those taxes are used only for schools. I'm sorry you chose to live in an area where that is not true. Take some personal responsibility - move if you don't like where you live.
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    Re: Do you support school choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    The decision to have a public school system accessible to all was not one of individual choice but of societal choice .
    Yes, we all understand that. We are, on this political discussion board, talking about the idea of changing that choice through changes in legislation.

    Public schools are NOT private firms and should not be compared to them.
    Yes, they are socialized firms, and as such, they cannot compare to private firms. Private firms are forced to innovate in order to produce higher quality at lower cost. Firms that cannot satisfy customer demand are driven from the market, because customers withhold funds by favoring alternatives.

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