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    3 5.00%
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Thread: Which economic system is the best to you?

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    Re: Which economic system is the best to you?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    That's not just capitalism, it's destructive capitalism. That system will eat it's citizenry alive.
    If you consider the government protecting the person and property of every citizen to be destructive.

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    Re: Which economic system is the best to you?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    The vast majority of Japanese Americans vote Democrat today, so go ahead and ask them. The fact is, FDR is by far the most beloved president in U.S. history. Lincoln and FDR had more to deal with than any other presidents in U.S. history by a wide margin. Every other presidency has been a cakewalk compared to what those two men had to contend with, and aside with a few total nutjobs might claim, the are widely regarded by the public and by historians as two of the greatest presidents in U.S. history.
    Actually, that isn't exactly true. A lot of historians do regard FDR well, but if you analyze further the constitution was amended specifically to prevent a presidency of over two terms specifically because of him. His "make work" programs were all temporary, and the economy did not jump start until WWII, conspiracy theorists ponder that FDR let Pearl Harbor fall to get us into the war(I do not subscribe to that theory) but really most of the social programs of that time were a Band-Aid on a bullet wound.
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    Re: Which economic system is the best to you?

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    ...like everyone with an IRA or a 401k.
    That's fine when it works, but 401k plans are disappearing because there isn't enough capital flowing downward. If you can't even work off a mortgage or a cay payment, there's no plausible way to save for retirement.

    Anyway, I wasn't talking about a particular historical situation, but more in the sense of how an economc system can survive for a thousand years.
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    Re: Which economic system is the best to you?

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    If you consider the government protecting the person and property of every citizen to be destructive.
    It's not the government that's destructive in that raw capitalistic society you espouse. You've never gotten it and you never will. Your green glasses won't let you.
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    Re: Which economic system is the best to you?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    It's not the government that's destructive in that raw capitalistic society you espouse.
    I espouse laws that protect and defend the person and property of the citizen. I'm not sure why you anticipate that this would be destructive.

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    Re: Which economic system is the best to you?

    Quote Originally Posted by OhIsee.Then View Post
    Yup. Enough effort to win and set the rules. Or is there someone, e.g. a referee, that sets the rules. I can make Capitalism work for me if I get to set the rules. Otherwise, I'll keep what I've got.
    sure....whatever you say

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    Re: Which economic system is the best to you?

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    Rewards in capitalism are determined by the ones who hold capital. They don't like sharing the pie, which is why capitalism in history trends more and more toward the welfare state, to "indulge" this unwillingness to share the pie by compensating
    Bull****, performance paid employees (ones that actually contribute to the bottom line) make excellent wages for little or no investment. Union people that want to get their breaks, 80% pay for down time, etc. are ones whining since they aren't even willing to be judged on what they actually contribute.

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    Re: Which economic system is the best to you?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    Bull****, performance paid employees (ones that actually contribute to the bottom line) make excellent wages for little or no investment. Union people that want to get their breaks, 80% pay for down time, etc. are ones whining since they aren't even willing to be judged on what they actually contribute.
    Pure capitalism fails just like pure socialism fails. The best economy is an intelligently regulated and incentivised economy that rewards innovation and provides a strong safety net.

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    Re: Which economic system is the best to you?

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    That's fine when it works, but 401k plans are disappearing because there isn't enough capital flowing downward. If you can't even work off a mortgage or a cay payment, there's no plausible way to save for retirement.
    My point was that under a capitalist system any person who chooses to can hold capital, due primarily to the existence of joint stock companies. Even a person of modest means can own some capital.

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    Re: Which economic system is the best to you?

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    My point was that under a capitalist system any person who chooses to can hold capital, due primarily to the existence of joint stock companies. Even a person of modest means can own some capital.
    "Modest means" defines what it means to be middle class. Such people are a vanishing breed.
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