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Thread: If you could tommorrow vote on gun amendment?

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    Re: If you could tommorrow vote on gun amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by Robbie Loucks View Post
    Um...what?
    Extremes are where you find your actual beliefs.

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    Re: If you could tommorrow vote on gun amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    Well, if you look at the crime stats for the states that are Constitutional Carry you won't see any of them with a significant increase in homicide or violent crime since the law passed.

    Maybe it wouldn't work everywhere but it hasn't been tried everywhere yet and in the places where it has been tried it doesn't seem to do any harm.
    Most states with Constitutional carry have only implemented in the last year or two except for Alaska, which did it in 2003, and Vermont which has had it since it was a state. Since implementing the law Alaska has seen only one year with a higher murder rate than the year of the ban, but unlike Arizona where you can say it has its lowest murder rate since 1965 Alaska had a lower rate in 2009

    Murder Rates Nationally and By State | Death Penalty Information Center

    But regardless I still say there's a lot more than one single thing that affects crime, including murder, rates so even if the data seemed to favor the argument that the Constitutional Carry didn't help the murder problem I wouldn't post it.

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    Re: If you could tommorrow vote on gun amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    Extremes are where you find your actual beliefs.
    You already asserted that. Did you expect a different response from me?

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    Re: If you could tommorrow vote on gun amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    The increase in violent crime is miniscule and all three years are STILL less than any year since 1971.
    Right. They went up. So your no ill effects statement, by your own data, is false.

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    Re: If you could tommorrow vote on gun amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by Robbie Loucks View Post
    You already asserted that. Did you expect a different response from me?
    Yep. Try asking specifics.

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    Re: If you could tommorrow vote on gun amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    Yep. Try asking specifics.
    No you didn't.

    I'll add a bit more: How does choosing an extreme reflect what your actual beliefs are? I can guarantee you that I'm for regulation of firearms, but I'd rather have Constitutional Carry than a gun ban. (I'd argue than a gun ban is more extreme than Constitutional Carry)

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    Re: If you could tommorrow vote on gun amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by Robbie Loucks View Post
    I'll add a bit more: How does choosing an extreme reflect what your actual beliefs are?
    Again, the extremes are where you find out your actual beliefs. Take for instance, theft. Most people agree taking 100 dollars from a poor person is theft, but that number falls drastically when you ask if taking one penny from a billionaire is theft.

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    Re: If you could tommorrow vote on gun amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpgrad08 View Post
    So if you could cast a vote during an election that would either completly [sic] ban guns and remove the 2nd amendment from the consititution [sic] or make constitutional carry the law of the land in all 50 states ( I.E. do you not need a permit to CC or OC a gun). Which way would you vote?
    “Constitutional carry” already is the law of the land. The only issue is that government refuses to obey this law. Passing another law, or even ratifying another amendment, will do nothing to convince a government that already refuses to obey the Constitution. The only thing that will ever work is to hold corrupt public servants directly accountable for their malfeasance in this matter.
    The five great lies of the Left Wrong:
    We can be Godless and free. • “Social justice” through forced redistribution of wealth. • Silencing religious opinions counts as “diversity”. • Freedom without moral and personal responsibility. • Civilization can survive the intentional undermining of the family.

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    Re: If you could tommorrow vote on gun amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    Again, the extremes are where you find out your actual beliefs. Take for instance, theft. Most people agree taking 100 dollars from a poor person is theft, but that number falls drastically when you ask if taking one penny from a billionaire is theft.
    I'm not following your logic here. I have my spot on the firearm regulation spectrum and I don't belong to either extreme of the spectrum. I don't know where you're going with this.

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    Re: If you could tommorrow vote on gun amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    Ill pass, both are ridiculous extremes and I don't think either would productively solve any problems with guns.
    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Neither. It's a stupid poll that only goes to the extremes.
    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Extremes are where gun-paranoids on dp go with these threads .
    Obeying the Constitution is not, and never will be “extreme”. It is only the position that willfully disobeys the Constitution that is extreme.

    And the Constitution is absolutely clear about the right of the people to keep and bear arms.
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