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Is this Media Matters claim fact, or fiction?

Is the Media Matters story below fact or fiction?

  • Fact - Glenn Beck reported the woman's story as fact

    Votes: 7 58.3%

  • Fiction - The Media Matters assertion is false. Beck did not report the woman's claim as fact

    Votes: 5 41.7%
  • Total voters
    12
  • Poll closed .
Fox probably knew but didnt care, just went for the outrage. I bet there are still fauxites that would defend it to this day...oh wait...
pbrauer said:
No, they didn't check her story. Media Matters knew because they talked with ACORN. Can you see the picture? Media Matters knew, but Fox News didn't. LOL
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Grim17 said:
Obviously you believe that saying to his audience that he didn't know if any of the claims she made were true, constitues claiming that they were in fact true.

If that's what you honestly believe, than that's what you honestly believe... It's your credibility that's on the line here, not mine.
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Fox News: "We Report you Decide"
 
mak2 said:
...do you think maybe Faux ought to check out a story before they run with it? Maybe?
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The media didn't verify the documents and claims of Edward Snowden before reporting on them, and this was no different.

If the video would have been shot by Fox News or someone on Beck's team, then I would have expected them to verify whether she was a killer, or just a disturbed pathological liar before going public with the video. But this video was not only shot by an independent source, it had already been released to the public hours before so was already out there, making it fair game to discuss.

Whether true or false, her telling perfect strangers that she shot and killed her husband was a perfectly legitimate story to report on, because it makes her either a killer, or a total psycho, neither of which is acceptable behavior for an employee of a government funded community service agency, that offers free advice and assistance to the public.

What you choose to ignore, is that the story wasn't "ACORN worker shot and killed her husband"... The story was "ACORN worker claims she shot and killed her husband". Irregardless, the question posed is whether Beck expressed to his audience that her claims had not been validated, or he said nothing, leading them to believe that what she said on that tape was in fact true, just as both yourself and the Media Matters story claim.

Logic and truth are not the enemy... Give them a try sometime.
 
Come on man, when that story aired millions of Fox heads bobbleheaded, sucking in every word, well except "claims" and the story confirmed their bias about how corrupt "them" people that work for ACORN are. Here is the proof . Fox had it outrage and did not check out it story. NO INTEGRITY. Rationalize away.
Grim17 said:
The media didn't verify the documents and claims of Edward Snowden before reporting on them, and this was no different.

If the video would have been shot by Fox News or someone on Beck's team, then I would have expected them to verify whether she was a killer, or just a disturbed pathological liar before going public with the video. But this video was not only shot by an independent source, it had already been released to the public hours before so was already out there, making it fair game to discuss.

Whether true or false, her telling perfect strangers that she shot and killed her husband was a perfectly legitimate story to report on, because it makes her either a killer, or a total psycho, neither of which is acceptable behavior for an employee of a government funded community service agency, that offers free advice and assistance to the public.

What you choose to ignore, is that the story wasn't "ACORN worker shot and killed her husband"... The story was "ACORN worker claims she shot and killed her husband". Irregardless, the question posed is whether Beck expressed to his audience that her claims had not been validated, or he said nothing, leading them to believe that what she said on that tape was in fact true, just as both yourself and the Media Matters story claim.

Logic and truth are not the enemy... Give them a try sometime.
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BMCM said:
What does it really matter at this time.
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because a bunch of partisans need something to argue with each other about?
 
Grim17 said:
The media didn't verify the documents and claims of Edward Snowden before reporting on them, and this was no different.

If the video would have been shot by Fox News or someone on Beck's team, then I would have expected them to verify whether she was a killer, or just a disturbed pathological liar before going public with the video. But this video was not only shot by an independent source, it had already been released to the public hours before so was already out there, making it fair game to discuss.

Whether true or false, her telling perfect strangers that she shot and killed her husband was a perfectly legitimate story to report on, because it makes her either a killer, or a total psycho, neither of which is acceptable behavior for an employee of a government funded community service agency, that offers free advice and assistance to the public.

What you choose to ignore, is that the story wasn't "ACORN worker shot and killed her husband"... The story was "ACORN worker claims she shot and killed her husband". Irregardless, the question posed is whether Beck expressed to his audience that her claims had not been validated, or he said nothing, leading them to believe that what she said on that tape was in fact true, just as both yourself and the Media Matters story claim.

Logic and truth are not the enemy... Give them a try sometime.
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Now I see what the real story is, you hate anything that doesn't have the GOP mark on it... sad...
Must have been a slow news weekend.
 
Grim17 said:
The media didn't verify the documents and claims of Edward Snowden before reporting on them, and this was no different.

If the video would have been shot by Fox News or someone on Beck's team, then I would have expected them to verify whether she was a killer, or just a disturbed pathological liar before going public with the video. But this video was not only shot by an independent source, it had already been released to the public hours before so was already out there, making it fair game to discuss.

Whether true or false, her telling perfect strangers that she shot and killed her husband was a perfectly legitimate story to report on, because it makes her either a killer, or a total psycho, neither of which is acceptable behavior for an employee of a government funded community service agency, that offers free advice and assistance to the public.

What you choose to ignore, is that the story wasn't "ACORN worker shot and killed her husband"... The story was "ACORN worker claims she shot and killed her husband". Irregardless, the question posed is whether Beck expressed to his audience that her claims had not been validated, or he said nothing, leading them to believe that what she said on that tape was in fact true, just as both yourself and the Media Matters story claim.

Logic and truth are not the enemy... Give them a try sometime.
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But claiming to be a pimp and a hooker is perfectly reasonable and sane. Seems legit.
 
Technically he did not report it as fact, he was "just asking questions," which is typical of Fox News and Glenn Beck in particular. This way, they aren't technically lying to you, they just get to report lies. The other common method is "People are saying Barack Obama ate a puppy yesterday." Yes, technically some people are saying that. Like the crazy person you just had on your show, Hannity. But if your organization was a legitimate news organization you would have bothered to check and see if Obama had actually eaten a puppy, discovered he hadn't, and then not reported it as news.

Using the same ACORN situation, Fox News' Morning Dip****s show had James O'Keefe on the air soon after the "scandal." O'Keefe was dressed in the pimp outfit you saw in the video on Fox News. One of the idiots on the morning show mentioned he'd worn that in the ACORN office. O'Keefe didn't deny it, but he didn't affirm it either. Technically O'Keefe didn't lie. Now, anyone could have known for a fact that O'Keefe hadn't actually worn that outfit in the ACORN office. This information was out there. The impression from the video tape was false. His excuse was "Oh that was just B-roll stuff!" But Fox n Friends didn't check.

Because nobody on that network is actually a journalist. They are a network devoted to pushing an agenda and will do anything and everything to further that agenda. They'll even actually tell lies, deliberately. They fought a wrongful termination lawsuit regarding that, and their defense was that lying on the news isn't illegal, so firing reporters for refusing to lie isn't wrongful termination covered by whistleblower laws.

So, did Glenn Beck lie? Not technically. But the effect and intention is still to deceive you.
 
Wiseone said:
I'm guessing they are both untrue
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^Winner^

Glenn Beck runs a scandalous story on a political organization, then notes afterward they they have no idea it is true.

It's like me going on a lengthy tirade about how Wiseone is a seat sniffer, but at the very end going "but be aware I have no idea if this character destroying story is true or not".

Classic slimeball journalism.

And not to be outdone, media matters run a false headline stating that fox news (not even glenn beck) reported it as fact (which they clearly didn't do)

Fact is, neither of you guys have any respect for truth. You both are partisans hawking the wares of some 2-bit dealer that no one of intelligence has any interest in
 
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Dr. Chuckles said:
^Winner^

Glenn Beck runs a scandalous story on a political organization, then notes afterward they they have no idea it is true.

It's like me going on a lengthy tirade about how Wiseone is a seat sniffer, but at the very end going "but be aware I have no idea if this character destroying story is true or not".
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Are you joking?

How about a fair comparison like this:

It's like watching a video of Wiseone telling people in his office he's a seat sniffer and then me going on a lengthy tirade about how Wiseone is a seat sniffer, but at the very end going "but be aware I have no idea if his character destroying story is true or not".​

See the difference?

...media matters run a false headline stating that fox news (not even glenn beck) reported it as fact (which they clearly didn't do)
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Ding ding ding... We have a winner.

Fact is, neither of you guys have any respect for truth.
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That's either a lie, or you have me confused with someone else.

You may not like my posts, my political beliefs, or me personally, but you won't find anyone on this forum that respects and adhere's to the truth more than I do. It's by far the most important value I hold sacred, especially when it comes to discussing politics.
 
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Deuce said:
Technically he did not report it as fact, he was "just asking questions,"
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Was he asking questions or answering them when he stated:

"...but we haven't been even able to confirm from the state of California whether Tresa's husband from 10 years ago was killed, or if he's dead, or if she even had a husband. Did she make the story up? I don't know."​
 
Phil E Buster said:
But claiming to be a pimp and a hooker is perfectly reasonable and sane. Seems legit.
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Are you saying that he reported what she said as fact, or did he tell his audience that he didn't know if what she claimed was true?
 
Grim17 said:
Are you saying that he reported what she said as fact, or did he tell his audience that he didn't know if what she claimed was true?
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Look man, I know you claim to be a big fan of the truth and I believe you. But you don't seem to be hip to the whole truth.
 
Phil E Buster said:
Look man, I know you claim to be a big fan of the truth and I believe you. But you don't seem to be hip to the whole truth.
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Look, this poll question is cut and dry... There is no half truth or gray area here.

The mistake that people keep making here, is believing that this video and subsequent story was predicated on her claims being true... That's just not the case here. Assuming it was known prior to the release of the video that her story was fabricated, her lying and telling clients off the streets that she shot and killed her husband, is wholly inappropriate behavior, and brings into question how this woman was ever allowed to hold such a position in the first place.

Don't you see, it was still a legitimate story either way, otherwise they wouldn't have aired it prior to verifying her claim.
 
Grim17 said:
The mistake that people keep making here, is believing that this video and subsequent story was predicated on her claims being true... That's just not the case here. Assuming it was known prior to the release of the video that her story was fabricated, her lying and telling clients off the streets that she shot and killed her husband, is wholly inappropriate behavior, and brings into question how this woman was ever allowed to hold such a position in the first place.
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Look, this poll question is cut and dry... There is no half truth or gray area here.
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The only consistency I see here is that people are not seeing the story as cut and dry as you do. Yet you refuse to consider anything other then "everyone else has got it wrong".

Don't you see, it was still a legitimate story either way, otherwise they wouldn't have aired it prior to verifying her claim.
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You are changing your complaint here. Are you challenging the legitimacy of the story or the accuracy of MM? If it's the story, then what story? The story of a murderer working for ACORN or of a liar working for ACORN? and it is only a legitimate story if you get your facts right and your accusations straight. Otherwise you're just throwing a handful of **** at the wall to see what sticks.
 
Deuce said:
Technically he did not report it as fact, he was "just asking questions," which is typical of Fox News and Glenn Beck in particular. This way, they aren't technically lying to you, they just get to report lies. The other common method is "People are saying Barack Obama ate a puppy yesterday." Yes, technically some people are saying that. Like the crazy person you just had on your show, Hannity. But if your organization was a legitimate news organization you would have bothered to check and see if Obama had actually eaten a puppy, discovered he hadn't, and then not reported it as news.

Using the same ACORN situation, Fox News' Morning Dip****s show had James O'Keefe on the air soon after the "scandal." O'Keefe was dressed in the pimp outfit you saw in the video on Fox News. One of the idiots on the morning show mentioned he'd worn that in the ACORN office. O'Keefe didn't deny it, but he didn't affirm it either. Technically O'Keefe didn't lie. Now, anyone could have known for a fact that O'Keefe hadn't actually worn that outfit in the ACORN office. This information was out there. The impression from the video tape was false. His excuse was "Oh that was just B-roll stuff!" But Fox n Friends didn't check.

Because nobody on that network is actually a journalist. They are a network devoted to pushing an agenda and will do anything and everything to further that agenda. They'll even actually tell lies, deliberately. They fought a wrongful termination lawsuit regarding that, and their defense was that lying on the news isn't illegal, so firing reporters for refusing to lie isn't wrongful termination covered by whistleblower laws.

So, did Glenn Beck lie? Not technically. But the effect and intention is still to deceive you.
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Not technically.....that works. As none can add thing else to Becks words. Other than what they were.
 
Grim17 said:
Look, this poll question is cut and dry... There is no half truth or gray area here.

The mistake that people keep making here, is believing that this video and subsequent story was predicated on her claims being true... That's just not the case here. Assuming it was known prior to the release of the video that her story was fabricated, her lying and telling clients off the streets that she shot and killed her husband, is wholly inappropriate behavior, and brings into question how this woman was ever allowed to hold such a position in the first place.

Don't you see, it was still a legitimate story either way, otherwise they wouldn't have aired it prior to verifying her claim.
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We get it man. You're just not a whole truth big picture kind of guy.
 
opendebate said:
The only consistency I see here is that people are not seeing the story as cut and dry as you do. Yet you refuse to consider anything other then "everyone else has got it wrong".



You are changing your complaint here. Are you challenging the legitimacy of the story or the accuracy of MM? If it's the story, then what story? The story of a murderer working for ACORN or of a liar working for ACORN? and it is only a legitimate story if you get your facts right and your accusations straight. Otherwise you're just throwing a handful of **** at the wall to see what sticks.
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this is like watching a bowery bum tell a hobo to wash his ass
 
Phil E Buster said:
We get it man. You're just not a whole truth big picture kind of guy.
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I disagree but respect you opinion... All I'm saying to you is, it certainly doesn't apply to this thread, which is all I'm centered on here.
 
Dr. Chuckles said:
this is like watching a bowery bum tell a hobo to wash his ass
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It seems you have a host of views, but you haven't voted on the question posed in this thread. If it doesn't interest you, than why bother posting anything at all?
 
Well, the media matters story that I saw there was relating to several Fox stories on air...Hannity, Van Sustern, Carl Rove. None of which mention Beck, and go on at length about the story, as well as that Acorn worker also discussing other illegal things with the fake prostitute.

So, yes, Fox was reporting a fake story as fact.
 
JumpinJack said:
Well, the media matters story that I saw there was relating to several Fox stories on air...Hannity, Van Sustern, Carl Rove. None of which mention Beck, and go on at length about the story, as well as that Acorn worker also discussing other illegal things with the fake prostitute.

So, yes, Fox was reporting a fake story as fact.
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And your vote in the poll?
 
Grim17 said:
Was he asking questions or answering them when he stated:

"...but we haven't been even able to confirm from the state of California whether Tresa's husband from 10 years ago was killed, or if he's dead, or if she even had a husband. Did she make the story up? I don't know."​
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Yes. The question mark was the giveaway, if you were wondering.
 
Grim17 said:
Was he asking questions or answering them when he stated:

"...but we haven't been even able to confirm from the state of California whether Tresa's husband from 10 years ago was killed, or if he's dead, or if she even had a husband. Did she make the story up? I don't know."​
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Why even run the story if you haven't been able to confirm it. Good question. What other possible motive could there be????? Hmmmmmm?
 
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