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    Re: Is this Media Matters claim fact, or fiction?

    Here we go again... Another round of Pete refusing to see words that don't fit his agenda.



    Hello boys and girls, and welcome basic English 101... Have a seat and open your books to Chapter 1.

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Beck: "I'm not a lawyer. I'm not a jury. But gosh, even to me, it seems like this is a potential admission of murder." After airing video of Tresa Kaelke stating that she shot her ex-husband, Beck stated, "This is twisted, bizarre, macabre -- I mean, is this theater? I'm not a lawyer. I'm not a jury. But, gosh, even to me, it seems like this is a potential admission of murder. And the way she was describing doing some groundwork beforehand, you know, so everybody in town knew exactly what was going on, a case might be made for premeditated murder." Beck later added, "[W]e we haven't been even able to confirm from the state of California whether Tresa's husband from 10 years ago was killed, or if he's dead, or if she even had a husband. Did she make the story up? I don't know. Nobody's asking questions." [Glenn Beck, 9/15/09]
    Question 1: What does the word "admission" mean pertaining to the above paragraph?
    A: It means that they are discussing what the person has claimed to have done, as opposed to discussing what the person actually did. It means that the action claimed is alleged, rather than established to have taken place.

    Question 2: What does the phrase "we haven't been even able to confirm" mean?
    A: It means that himself and the network didn't know whether the list of claims that followed, were true or false.

    Question 3: What does "Did she make the story up? I don't know" in the above paragraph mean?
    A: It means that he did not know whether the woman's many claims in the video were true, or merely fabrications on her part.

    Question 4: What was determined in the above paragraph pertaining to the veracity of claims made by the woman on the video tape?
    A: It was clearly stated that they had no information that either confirmed, or refuted the claims made by the woman, which is why no determination was made.





    OK, let's move on to chapter 2:

    Rove: ACORN must have "terrific ... human resources department to hire people like that." Karl Rove stated that Kaelke "admitted to -- or claimed to have killed her husband because she thought he was going to abuse her at some point. So, she's claimed that she shot him in the head. I mean, this is an organization that really must have a terrific human relations -- human resources department to hire people like that." [On the Record, 9/15/09]
    Question 1: When Mr. Rove said "people like that" who was he referring to?
    A: As he stated, he was referring to the woman from the video who "claimed to have killed her husband" and "claimed that she shot him in the head".

    Question 2: Did Mr. Rove indicate that her assertions were true?
    A: No he didn't. Both times he commented on what the woman said, he referred to them as her claims, not her actions.

    Question 3: What was determined in the above paragraph pertaining to the veracity of claims made by the woman on the video tape?
    A: Nothing was determined. What the woman said was only referred to as her "claims", indicating that the veracity of those claims had not yet been determined.




    Let's move on to the last chapter we're covering today... Turn to the first page in chapter 3 boys and girls, and lets examine that first paragraph.

    Hannity: "She's on tape admitting that she plotted to kill and had her husband killed, but we don't know if it's true yet." Hannity asked Hannah Giles, the woman who posed as a prostitute, "Have you ever checked to see if in fact she had a husband who was killed?" Giles stated, "We're working on that." Hannity later stated, "So she's on tape admitting that she plotted to kill and had her husband killed, but we don't know if it's true yet." During a later segment, country music singer John Rich said, "[W]hat kind of screening process are they going through that they let a lady who admits to killing her husband standing right there?" [Hannity, 9/15/09]
    Question 1: What does the word "admitting" mean pertaining to the above paragraph?
    A: It means "claimed to have done".

    Question 2: What does the phrase "but we don't know if it's true yet" mean, and who is it referring to?
    A: It's referring to the woman on the video tape and it means that both himself as well as the network, didn't know whether the claims she made on that tape were true or false. In other words, the veracity of her claims at that point, hadn't been determined

    Question 3: Does the last sentence in the above paragraph indicate that the woman's claims are factual?
    A: No they don't. She was never referred to as a killer or murderer, just as someone who claims to be.




    OK boys and girls, it's final exam time... Put away your books.

    Question 1: Did anyone who was quoted above refer to the woman in the video tape as a "Killer" or "murderer"?
    A: No

    Question 2: Did anyone who was quoted above, indicate that that the woman's claims were factual, and that she did in fact shoot her husband in the head, killing him?
    A: No

    Question 3: Does a claim of action, constitute proof of action?
    A: No

    Question 4: Do any of the quotes above, which were taken from shows that aired on Fox News, substantiate the claim made by Media Matters that "Fox News reports fake murder story from ACORN video as fact"?
    A: Absolutely not.


    I hope you've learned just how valuable an education is Pete... and always remember these 2, very important things:

    "The mind, it's a terrible thing to waste"

    and

    Reading is Fundamental
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    Re: Is this Media Matters claim fact, or fiction?

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    I seem to remember back when Glen Beck was part of Fox News Channel, Beck would have a disclaimer on every episode that went something like this. > "Don't take my word for being fact, do your own research."<
    I remember that, but it wasn't a show disclaimer, it was just what Beck told his audience to do.

    As for the issue at hand, there wasn't anything he said that was false.

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    Re: Is this Media Matters claim fact, or fiction?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    I see. So Beck did the "I'm just asking questions" gimmick in lieu of actual journalism. Why do you watch him?
    1. Saying "Did she make the story up... I don't know." is no gimmick... The only way it would be a gimmick, is if he asked a leading question and didn't provide the answer, leaving it to his audience to fill in the blanks. What Beck said was EXACTTLY the same as saying "I don't know if she make the story up.." There is nothing misleading or deceiving about that at all.

    2. I haven't watched or listened to him for probably a good year now.

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    Re: Is this Media Matters claim fact, or fiction?

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    Of course there isnt. When you pesent something intended to decieve, it is a lie, even on Fox.
    How does telling there audience that they don't know if her claims are true, deceiving them into thinking they are true?

    You must be talking about children who've yet to reach the 3rd grade, or immigrants who don't have a firm grasp of the English language, because it just wasn't deceptive.

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    Re: Is this Media Matters claim fact, or fiction?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    1. Saying "Did she make the story up... I don't know." is no gimmick... The only way it would be a gimmick, is if he asked a leading question and didn't provide the answer, leaving it to his audience to fill in the blanks. What Beck said was EXACTTLY the same as saying "I don't know if she make the story up.." There is nothing misleading or deceiving about that at all.

    2. I haven't watched or listened to him for probably a good year now.
    Why would he even air the report if he hadn't done enough investigation to find out?

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    Re: Is this Media Matters claim fact, or fiction?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Why would he even air the report if he hadn't done enough investigation to find out?
    Is that the standard you apply just to Beck?

    And you understand he wasn't reporting the news, but make a comment on an opinion show, right?
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    Re: Is this Media Matters claim fact, or fiction?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moon View Post
    Is that the standard you apply just to Beck?
    Why would you even ask that?

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    Re: Is this Media Matters claim fact, or fiction?

    Because the people that watch Beck need beck to tell them what to think, he does. It cracks me up the party that used to call itself the party of morals and ethics dont even recognize lying anymore.
    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    How does telling there audience that they don't know if her claims are true, deceiving them into thinking they are true?

    You must be talking about children who've yet to reach the 3rd grade, or immigrants who don't have a firm grasp of the English language, because it just wasn't deceptive.
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    Re: Is this Media Matters claim fact, or fiction?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Why would you even ask that?
    I hear lots of stories on the news where they report information as it's available. I was just curious if you applied the same standard to actual news reporting, or if it's reserved for Beck's opinion show.
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