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    Re: Is this Media Matters claim fact, or fiction?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Fox News: "We Report you Decide"
    Media Matters: Making **** up so You Don't Have to.
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    Re: Is this Media Matters claim fact, or fiction?

    What exactly do you think they made up?
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    Re: Is this Media Matters claim fact, or fiction?

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    What exactly do you think they made up?
    In this case, Fox did not claim the story was true. I've read other MM stories that were also stretching the truth (to be polite about). I dont give them much in the way of credibility.

    Oh, and I dont watch Fox. Too repetitive and strident for my taste.
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    Re: Is this Media Matters claim fact, or fiction?

    It was presented as truth, my Mom would have and probably did believe every word, as did millions of Faux believers. It was intended to mislead, and it did. That is indeed a lie. But call it whatever you like. Now, something MM made up.
    Quote Originally Posted by Moon View Post
    In this case, Fox did not claim the story was true. I've read other MM stories that were also stretching the truth (to be polite about). I dont give them much in the way of credibility.

    Oh, and I dont watch Fox. Too repetitive and strident for my taste.
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    Re: Is this Media Matters claim fact, or fiction?

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    It was presented as truth, my Mom would have and probably did believe every word, as did millions of Faux believers. It was intended to mislead, and it did. That is indeed a lie. But call it whatever you like. Now, something MM made up.
    The woman said she killed her husband in order to mislead.

    Reporting that she said that is not misleading, she did say that.

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    Re: Is this Media Matters claim fact, or fiction?

    A real news agency would have checked out her story just a bit, and I am sure Faux did, it would probably have taken a couple of minutes. But that would have destroy that days Fauxrage. Come on, you know it was presented to fire up the base, just like the rest of the daily outrages.
    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    The woman said she killed her husband in order to mislead.

    Reporting that she said that is not misleading, she did say that.
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    Re: Is this Media Matters claim fact, or fiction?

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Technically he did not report it as fact, he was "just asking questions," which is typical of Fox News and Glenn Beck in particular. This way, they aren't technically lying to you, they just get to report lies. The other common method is "People are saying Barack Obama ate a puppy yesterday." Yes, technically some people are saying that. Like the crazy person you just had on your show, Hannity. But if your organization was a legitimate news organization you would have bothered to check and see if Obama had actually eaten a puppy, discovered he hadn't, and then not reported it as news.

    Using the same ACORN situation, Fox News' Morning Dip****s show had James O'Keefe on the air soon after the "scandal." O'Keefe was dressed in the pimp outfit you saw in the video on Fox News. One of the idiots on the morning show mentioned he'd worn that in the ACORN office. O'Keefe didn't deny it, but he didn't affirm it either. Technically O'Keefe didn't lie. Now, anyone could have known for a fact that O'Keefe hadn't actually worn that outfit in the ACORN office. This information was out there. The impression from the video tape was false. His excuse was "Oh that was just B-roll stuff!" But Fox n Friends didn't check.

    Because nobody on that network is actually a journalist. They are a network devoted to pushing an agenda and will do anything and everything to further that agenda. They'll even actually tell lies, deliberately. They fought a wrongful termination lawsuit regarding that, and their defense was that lying on the news isn't illegal, so firing reporters for refusing to lie isn't wrongful termination covered by whistleblower laws.

    So, did Glenn Beck lie? Not technically. But the effect and intention is still to deceive you.

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    Re: Is this Media Matters claim fact, or fiction?

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    A real news agency would have checked out her story just a bit, and I am sure Faux did, it would probably have taken a couple of minutes. But that would have destroy that days Fauxrage. Come on, you know it was presented to fire up the base, just like the rest of the daily outrages.
    Like I said, the story was an Acorn employee saying she killed her husband. That is to show Acorn hires mentally disturbed people.

    No normal person is going to brag about shooting her husband in the head.

    Fox didn't need to check out her story, the fact that she said that was the story.

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    Re: Is this Media Matters claim fact, or fiction?

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    It was presented as truth, my Mom would have and probably did believe every word, as did millions of Faux believers. It was intended to mislead, and it did. That is indeed a lie. But call it whatever you like. Now, something MM made up.
    What she said on the video was correctly presented as a fact. The truthfulness of her admission was correctly questioned. There is no lie there, regardless of how much you wish it were so.
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    Re: Is this Media Matters claim fact, or fiction?

    Of course there isnt. When you pesent something intended to decieve, it is a lie, even on Fox.
    Quote Originally Posted by Moon View Post
    What she said on the video was correctly presented as a fact. The truthfulness of her admission was correctly questioned. There is no lie there, regardless of how much you wish it were so.
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