View Poll Results: Is the Media Matters story below fact or fiction?

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  • Fact - Glenn Beck reported the woman's story as fact

    11 64.71%
  • Fiction - The Media Matters assertion is false. Beck did not report the woman's claim as fact

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    Re: Is this Media Matters claim fact, or fiction?

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Yes. The question mark was the giveaway, if you were wondering.
    He asked himself a question and provided the answer. The question was "Did she make the story up", to which he answered "I don't know".

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that him saying to his audience "I don't know if what she said on that tape was true"? According to my understanding of the English language, that's not only exactly what he conveyed to his audience, but there is no possibility that it could have been interpreted any other way.

    So tell me then... How can Media Matters possibly claim that Beck reported what that woman said on that video tape as factual to his audience? I really want to understand the logic here.

    So far, not one person who says the Media Matters story is true, has been able to explain how:

    "Beck telling his audience he didn't know if what she said was factual" = "Beck reported the woman's story as factual"

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    Re: Is this Media Matters claim fact, or fiction?

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    Why even run the story if you haven't been able to confirm it. Good question. What other possible motive could there be????? Hmmmmmm?
    Already answered... Unfortunately though, totally irrelevant to the question posed in the poll.

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    Re: Is this Media Matters claim fact, or fiction?

    Quote Originally Posted by JumpinJack View Post
    Well, the media matters story that I saw there was relating to several Fox stories on air...Hannity, Van Sustern, Carl Rove. None of which mention Beck, and go on at length about the story, as well as that Acorn worker also discussing other illegal things with the fake prostitute.
    I have a wacky, off the wall suggestion for you... This may sound strange, but try clicking the link I provided on the very first post on this thread... You never know... Maybe, just maybe, there's some mention of Beck in there.

    Wadda ya say... Think it's worth a try?

    Fox News reports fake murder story from ACORN video as fact | Research | Media Matters for America

    So, yes, Fox was reporting a fake story as fact.
    Gee, I'm sorry... But that wasn't the question posed on this thread.

    I'm curious, did you even bother to read post #1 and the attached poll question at all, or did you just jump in the middle and decide to wing it?

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    Re: Is this Media Matters claim fact, or fiction?

    I think his issue is that he has enough people that do not understand how he qualifies his statements so they cannot be called fact.

    That is why Becks fiction gets taken as fact or worse, gets re-released by other commentators as fact.

    He superpower is throwing crap up against the wall and see what sticks.

    But frankly, how is technically not telling a lie - when you clearly were out to seed the brains of your viewers with wrong information a good thing?

    Can't tell you how many times in the past (mostly during the Bush years) that I had people quoting his words as truth. They would defend his words with passion.

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    Re: Is this Media Matters claim fact, or fiction?

    My Mom believes every word he says.
    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    I think his issue is that he has enough people that do not understand how he qualifies his statements so they cannot be called fact.

    That is why Becks fiction gets taken as fact or worse, gets re-released by other commentators as fact.

    He superpower is throwing crap up against the wall and see what sticks.

    But frankly, how is technically not telling a lie - when you clearly were out to seed the brains of your viewers with wrong information a good thing?

    Can't tell you how many times in the past (mostly during the Bush years) that I had people quoting his words as truth. They would defend his words with passion.
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    Re: Is this Media Matters claim fact, or fiction?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    What do you mean setting it up?

    I posted Media Matters claim, and I posted the relevant portion of Beck's quote from the Media Matters story.

    You either believe he presented her story as fact, or that he didn't... Just look at his words, and decide...
    Isn't timing important on this one?

    How much time passed between the Fox report and the woman saying she made it up?

    Did she say she made it up only after Fox News reported on it or was that known beforehand?

    I think the story was an Acorn employee saying she killed her husband and not that she actually did it.

    The story, I think, was to show the kind of people that worked at Acorn and what kind of sick **** do you have to be to say you killed you husband on tape, which she said she knew was being taped and wanted to mess with them.

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    Re: Is this Media Matters claim fact, or fiction?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    Isn't timing important on this one?
    Of course.


    How much time passed between the Fox report and the woman saying she made it up?
    It was the next day.


    Did she say she made it up only after Fox News reported on it or was that known beforehand?
    It was after Fox News showed the video... She told CNN that she didn't know she was being video taped when it happened.



    I think the story was an Acorn employee saying she killed her husband and not that she actually did it.

    The story, I think, was to show the kind of people that worked at Acorn and what kind of sick **** do you have to be to say you killed you husband on tape, which she said she knew was being taped and wanted to mess with them
    Without any doubt, that's exactly what it was... The fact that there are people on this forum with such a high level of hatred for Fox, Glenn Beck and/or the political right in general, that they would actually claim that the woman's story was reported as fact when it wasn't, is very dissapointing to say the least... I just don't understand how politics can effect people like that.

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    Re: Is this Media Matters claim fact, or fiction?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    Of course.




    It was the next day.




    It was after Fox News showed the video... She told CNN that she didn't know she was being video taped when it happened.





    Without any doubt, that's exactly what it was... The fact that there are people on this forum with such a high level of hatred for Fox, Glenn Beck and/or the political right in general, that they would actually claim that the woman's story was reported as fact when it wasn't, is very dissapointing to say the least... I just don't understand how politics can effect people like that.
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    Umm, Fox did not issue a disclaimer, they just aired the video IOW they showed it as fact just like they did with the other James O'Keefe's videos.

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    Re: Is this Media Matters claim fact, or fiction?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
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    Umm, Fox did not issue a disclaimer, they just aired the video IOW they showed it as fact just like they did with the other James O'Keefe's videos.
    Now they needed a disclaimer... LMFAO

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    Re: Is this Media Matters claim fact, or fiction?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    Now they needed a disclaimer... LMFAO
    Beck: "I'm not a lawyer. I'm not a jury. But gosh, even to me, it seems like this is a potential admission of murder." After airing video of Tresa Kaelke stating that she shot her ex-husband, Beck stated, "This is twisted, bizarre, macabre -- I mean, is this theater? I'm not a lawyer. I'm not a jury. But, gosh, even to me, it seems like this is a potential admission of murder. And the way she was describing doing some groundwork beforehand, you know, so everybody in town knew exactly what was going on, a case might be made for premeditated murder." Beck later added, "[W]e we haven't been even able to confirm from the state of California whether Tresa's husband from 10 years ago was killed, or if he's dead, or if she even had a husband. Did she make the story up? I don't know. Nobody's asking questions." [Glenn Beck, 9/15/09]




    Rove: ACORN must have "terrific ... human resources department to hire people like that." Karl Rove stated that Kaelke "admitted to -- or claimed to have killed her husband because she thought he was going to abuse her at some point. So, she's claimed that she shot him in the head. I mean, this is an organization that really must have a terrific human relations -- human resources department to hire people like that." [On the Record, 9/15/09]




    Hannity: "[S]he's on tape admitting that she plotted to kill and had her husband killed, but we don't know if it's true yet." Hannity asked Hannah Giles, the woman who posed as a prostitute, "Have you ever checked to see if in fact she had a husband who was killed?" Giles stated, "We're working on that." Hannity later stated, "So she's on tape admitting that she plotted to kill and had her husband killed, but we don't know if it's true yet." During a later segment, country music singer John Rich said, "[W]hat kind of screening process are they going through that they let a lady who admits to killing her husband standing right there?" [Hannity, 9/15/09]

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