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    Re: Is this Media Matters claim fact, or fiction?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    OK, it's time for a little review....
    From The TVNewser:


    Glenn Beck aired another of the James O’Keefe ACORN videos yesterday. This time, Tresa Kaelke, an ACORN employee in San Bernardino, CA tells O’Keefe, who was posing as a pimp, that she once was an escort and got away with killing her abusive husband.


    After playing the clip, Beck gets riled up, pondering: “Maybe a jury might conclude that it might be justifiable homicide. I don’t know. But we haven’t even been able to confirm from the state of California, whether Tresa’s husband from 10 years ago was killed, or if he’s dead or if she even had a husband. Did she make the story up? I don’t know. Nobody’s asking questions.”


    It appears, Beck’s team didn’t ask questions. But two reporters in San Bernardino did. From their story in the Press-Enterprise:
    Since she claimed on the video to have killed her husband, two San Bernardino police homicide detectives interviewed her at the [ACORN] office Tuesday. Police said they have been in contact with Kaelke’s former husbands and the homicide claims do not appear accurate.
    One of her ex-husbands, Ronald Kaelke said he was unaware of any investigation or that his ex-wife had made any claims of murder.
    “As far as her murdering an ex-husband, that’s news to me,” Ronald Kaelke said. “She’s definitely got problems and goes off the wall sometimes.”
    So what does Fox News have to say about Beck playing video of an “off the wall” ACORN employee apparently making things up?


    Joel Cheatwood, FNC’s SVP of Development tells TVNewser, “As Glenn has steadfastly maintained throughout the show’s coverage of this latest ACORN scandal, the individuals on the tapes are not the real story.”


    Beck, who has criticized the national media for not covering this and other stories, does not host a ‘news’ show but rather is part of the programming division of the channel. None of Fox’s news shows aired this particular tape.


    Cheatwood says the real tale of these tapes is the “erratic and unconscionable behavior demonstrated” on them, which has already led to major changes for the organization.


    Also, if you look closely at the video you’ll also notice the time stamp (lower left in image above) is off — by about 4 years. Cheatwood tells us, “We’re aware of it – according to the filmmaker, he never changed the date stamp in his camera and has confirmed all the video was shot in 2009.”


    And by the way, last night’s show — the one that featured the video of Tresa Kaelke — was Beck’s highest rated program since he joined Fox News in January. Something tells me we may see more tapes like this, whether what’s on them is factual or not.

    Glenn Beck & The Woman Who Didn’t Kill Her Husband…or Maybe She Did - TVNewser



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    Re: Is this Media Matters claim fact, or fiction?

    Here's a list of the false, misleading and/or irrelevant statements you've made on this thread Pete, based on the information I obtained from the links you provided:


    1. "There is no proof that Fox, Beck or anyone in his staff tried to contact anyone in California about the woman's story"
    Irrelevant - This has nothing to do with the false accusation made by Media Matters that "Fox News reports fake murder story from ACORN video as fact"


    2. "there was no reason Glenn Beck would show the video without checking the veracity of the video first."
    False - The video was real. The woman indeed made the statement on the video, and in doing so displayed very abnormal behavior.
    Irrelevant - See #1



    3
    . "they (Media Matters) were able to find the truth about her story and Glenn Beck with all the power of Fox News behind him wasn't able to find it."
    False - Media Matters didn't find out anything until after the video was shown on his show, just as Beck and Fox did. Police investigated after they were told about the public video that day and MM issued a press release hours after the video appeared on Fox.
    Irrelevant - See #1



    4
    . "once the local authorities in San Bernardino, CA knew about the woman's claims it was easy to find the truth."
    False - See #3
    Irrelevant - They didn't interview her or her ex-husbands until hours after it was aired on Beck's show. Also see #1



    5
    . "He really did not care whether claims were true or not"
    Irrelevant - The story was her making the claim, not the verosity of it. Also see #1


    6
    . "He (Beck) presented that story as though it was fact."
    False - He stated clearly that he didn't know if it was true or not, and never once did he ever claim it was. Also see statement below in large font


    7. "the article plainly points out the information was readily available in San Bernardino, CA"
    False - See #3
    Irrelevant - See #1



    8
    . "Has he ever hear from those sources that he supposedly contacted in California."
    Irrelevant - See #1


    9. "It looks like Beck was fibbing to his audience about contacting California and not hearing back from officials in California."
    False - There is no evidence to support that accusation.
    Irrelevant - See #1



    10
    . "He never specifically said he contacted or is waiting for confirmation from California"
    Irrelevant - Beside the fact you're parsing words, see #1


    11
    . "if this was a legitimate story, why didn't Fox's news readers cover it?"
    Irrelevant - See #1


    12
    . "She recognized they were playing with her, so she offered her own false scenario."
    Misleading - She didn't make this claim until after the video was shown on Fox.
    Irrelevant - See #1



    13
    . "You stated that Beck said he didn't know if her story was true which he did. But certainly gave credence to it."
    Misleading - He speculated on the implications and ramification of her statement if true.
    False - See #6 and also see statement below in large font



    14. "I think that qualifies as showing the video as fact."
    False - Stating that you don't know if something is true, is not stating it as fact under any circumstances. Also see statement below in large font


    15
    . "It's very possible Fox never requested verification of the woman's claims"
    False - There is no evidence to support that allegation.
    Irrelevant - See #1



    16
    . "...they showed it as fact just like they did with the other James O'Keefe's videos"
    Misleading - They showed what was said by the ACORN workers, which was factual.
    False - They showed as fact she made the claim, not that the claim she made was fact. Also, see statement below in large font



    17. "No, they didn't check her story."
    False - They did check it, but hadn't received word back from California.
    Irrelevant - See #1 and #5



    18
    . "Media Matters knew because they talked with ACORN."
    Misleading - They obtained ACORN's press release which wasn't issued until hours after the video appeared on Beck's show.
    False - See #3
    Irrelevant - See #1



    19
    . "Media Matters knew, but Fox News didn't."
    False - See #3
    Irrelevant - See #1



    20
    . "The mere fact they showed the video is proof that they all reported it as fact."
    False - See #6, #14, #16 and statement below in large font


    21
    . "They reported the phony story as fact and there is no way out"
    False - See #6, #14, #16 and statement below in large font


    22
    . "Isn't strange that Media Matters knew thew truth about the woman's story and the mighty Fox News channel did not know?"
    False - See #3
    Irrelevant - See #1



    Now here's the only factual statement that you've made that has any relevance to this issue:

    "You stated that Beck said he didn't know if her story was true which he did."

    From your own words Pete, Beck stated he didn't know if the story she told was true. Stating that you don't know if something is true, is not stating it as fact under any circumstances.



    There are 2 things that are crystal clear Pete... That Media Matters lied in order to smear Glenn Beck/Fox News, and that you continue to defend and support that lie with your false, misleading and irrelevant posts.

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    Re: Is this Media Matters claim fact, or fiction?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    From The TVNewser:


    Glenn Beck aired another of the James O’Keefe ACORN videos yesterday. This time, Tresa Kaelke, an ACORN employee in San Bernardino, CA tells O’Keefe, who was posing as a pimp, that she once was an escort and got away with killing her abusive husband.


    After playing the clip, Beck gets riled up, pondering: “Maybe a jury might conclude that it might be justifiable homicide. I don’t know. But we haven’t even been able to confirm from the state of California, whether Tresa’s husband from 10 years ago was killed, or if he’s dead or if she even had a husband. Did she make the story up? I don’t know. Nobody’s asking questions.”


    It appears, Beck’s team didn’t ask questions. But two reporters in San Bernardino did. From their story in the Press-Enterprise:
    Since she claimed on the video to have killed her husband, two San Bernardino police homicide detectives interviewed her at the [ACORN] office Tuesday. Police said they have been in contact with Kaelke’s former husbands and the homicide claims do not appear accurate.
    One of her ex-husbands, Ronald Kaelke said he was unaware of any investigation or that his ex-wife had made any claims of murder.
    “As far as her murdering an ex-husband, that’s news to me,” Ronald Kaelke said. “She’s definitely got problems and goes off the wall sometimes.”
    So what does Fox News have to say about Beck playing video of an “off the wall” ACORN employee apparently making things up?


    Joel Cheatwood, FNC’s SVP of Development tells TVNewser, “As Glenn has steadfastly maintained throughout the show’s coverage of this latest ACORN scandal, the individuals on the tapes are not the real story.”


    Beck, who has criticized the national media for not covering this and other stories, does not host a ‘news’ show but rather is part of the programming division of the channel. None of Fox’s news shows aired this particular tape.


    Cheatwood says the real tale of these tapes is the “erratic and unconscionable behavior demonstrated” on them, which has already led to major changes for the organization.


    Also, if you look closely at the video you’ll also notice the time stamp (lower left in image above) is off — by about 4 years. Cheatwood tells us, “We’re aware of it – according to the filmmaker, he never changed the date stamp in his camera and has confirmed all the video was shot in 2009.”


    And by the way, last night’s show — the one that featured the video of Tresa Kaelke — was Beck’s highest rated program since he joined Fox News in January. Something tells me we may see more tapes like this, whether what’s on them is factual or not.

    Glenn Beck & The Woman Who Didn’t Kill Her Husband…or Maybe She Did - TVNewser


    Want me to add this to the pile of irrelevant crap you've posted? I could you know, because nothing in here changes anything at all. It's just more of the same irrelevant garbage you keep repeating that means absolutely nothing at all... It does not change the Media Matters lie, nor does it change the fact you keep defending that lie.

    So, I'm going to assume that you stand behind your false assertions last night, because you just used a story that made the same bogus claim.
    Last edited by Grim17; 02-02-14 at 05:18 PM.

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    Re: Is this Media Matters claim fact, or fiction?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    Here's a list of the false, misleading and/or irrelevant statements you've made on this thread Pete, based on the information I obtained from the links you provided:


    1. "There is no proof that Fox, Beck or anyone in his staff tried to contact anyone in California about the woman's story"
    Irrelevant - This has nothing to do with the false accusation made by Media Matters that "Fox News reports fake murder story from ACORN video as fact"


    2. "there was no reason Glenn Beck would show the video without checking the veracity of the video first."
    False - The video was real. The woman indeed made the statement on the video, and in doing so displayed very abnormal behavior.
    Irrelevant - See #1



    3
    . "they (Media Matters) were able to find the truth about her story and Glenn Beck with all the power of Fox News behind him wasn't able to find it."
    False - Media Matters didn't find out anything until after the video was shown on his show, just as Beck and Fox did. Police investigated after they were told about the public video that day and MM issued a press release hours after the video appeared on Fox.
    Irrelevant - See #1



    4
    . "once the local authorities in San Bernardino, CA knew about the woman's claims it was easy to find the truth."
    False - See #3
    Irrelevant - They didn't interview her or her ex-husbands until hours after it was aired on Beck's show. Also see #1



    5
    . "He really did not care whether claims were true or not"
    Irrelevant - The story was her making the claim, not the verosity of it. Also see #1


    6
    . "He (Beck) presented that story as though it was fact."
    False - He stated clearly that he didn't know if it was true or not, and never once did he ever claim it was. Also see statement below in large font


    7. "the article plainly points out the information was readily available in San Bernardino, CA"
    False - See #3
    Irrelevant - See #1



    8
    . "Has he ever hear from those sources that he supposedly contacted in California."
    Irrelevant - See #1


    9. "It looks like Beck was fibbing to his audience about contacting California and not hearing back from officials in California."
    False - There is no evidence to support that accusation.
    Irrelevant - See #1



    10
    . "He never specifically said he contacted or is waiting for confirmation from California"
    Irrelevant - Beside the fact you're parsing words, see #1


    11
    . "if this was a legitimate story, why didn't Fox's news readers cover it?"
    Irrelevant - See #1


    12
    . "She recognized they were playing with her, so she offered her own false scenario."
    Misleading - She didn't make this claim until after the video was shown on Fox.
    Irrelevant - See #1



    13
    . "You stated that Beck said he didn't know if her story was true which he did. But certainly gave credence to it."
    Misleading - He speculated on the implications and ramification of her statement if true.
    False - See #6 and also see statement below in large font



    14. "I think that qualifies as showing the video as fact."
    False - Stating that you don't know if something is true, is not stating it as fact under any circumstances. Also see statement below in large font


    15
    . "It's very possible Fox never requested verification of the woman's claims"
    False - There is no evidence to support that allegation.
    Irrelevant - See #1



    16
    . "...they showed it as fact just like they did with the other James O'Keefe's videos"
    Misleading - They showed what was said by the ACORN workers, which was factual.
    False - They showed as fact she made the claim, not that the claim she made was fact. Also, see statement below in large font



    17. "No, they didn't check her story."
    False - They did check it, but hadn't received word back from California.
    Irrelevant - See #1 and #5



    18
    . "Media Matters knew because they talked with ACORN."
    Misleading - They obtained ACORN's press release which wasn't issued until hours after the video appeared on Beck's show.
    False - See #3
    Irrelevant - See #1



    19
    . "Media Matters knew, but Fox News didn't."
    False - See #3
    Irrelevant - See #1



    20
    . "The mere fact they showed the video is proof that they all reported it as fact."
    False - See #6, #14, #16 and statement below in large font


    21
    . "They reported the phony story as fact and there is no way out"
    False - See #6, #14, #16 and statement below in large font


    22
    . "Isn't strange that Media Matters knew thew truth about the woman's story and the mighty Fox News channel did not know?"
    False - See #3
    Irrelevant - See #1



    Now here's the only factual statement that you've made that has any relevance to this issue:

    "You stated that Beck said he didn't know if her story was true which he did."

    From your own words Pete, Beck stated he didn't know if the story she told was true. Stating that you don't know if something is true, is not stating it as fact under any circumstances.



    There are 2 things that are crystal clear Pete... That Media Matters lied in order to smear Glenn Beck/Fox News, and that you continue to defend and support that lie with your false, misleading and irrelevant posts.
    What's crystal clear is that anyone who is not biased would conclude after watching Beck on the his show that day would conclude he presented the woman's murder story as fact.

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    Re: Is this Media Matters claim fact, or fiction?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    What's crystal clear is that anyone who is not biased would conclude after watching Beck on the his show that day would conclude he presented the woman's murder story as fact.
    Very good Pete... Media Matters has taught you well. They lie, and you defend them. Honesty and integrity is for losers, right Pete?


    So, are you going to retract your falsehood from last night, or are you still waiting on Media Matters to tell you how to respond?

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