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  • Fact - Glenn Beck reported the woman's story as fact

    11 64.71%
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    Re: Is this Media Matters claim fact, or fiction?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Assuming things went down as Grim states, it would appear that Beck was reporting this incident as an unconfirmed story - but most of us would, I think, agree that many people take such things as fact, especially if they are in the easily-consumable format of a video.
    I think some rely on that fact and take advantage of it.
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    Re: Is this Media Matters claim fact, or fiction?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Sorry I was in a hurry earlier... Breakfast, shower...etc
    I don't know if I can prove to Beck meant to misled his audience, however it seems to me he would have spent a considerable amount of time explaining his reservations about the woman's story before showing the video. As it was, three minutes and 18 seconds in the video below before he said anything and even then it only consumed about 10 seconds at that. You could have sneezed and missed it. And if this was a legitimate story, why didn't Fox's news readers cover it? Watch the video and use your common sense.

    You can not prove intent but you can surely evolve an understanding of his technique (or style) that would bring his intent into question
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    Re: Is this Media Matters claim fact, or fiction?

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    Updated with more current polling results:
    Conservatives Remain the Largest Ideological Group in U.S.

    Looks to me that liberals and liberalism aren't as popular or as large a population as some would want to think.
    It's also worth noting that "liberal" in the american context is much more conservative than what is usually assumed (the democratic platform is far from liberal)

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    Re: Is this Media Matters claim fact, or fiction?

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    So why isnt Romney president?
    because most people don't vote based upon some simplistic notion like conservative vs liberal?

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    Re: Is this Media Matters claim fact, or fiction?

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    Romney was pretty socially conservative wasnt he?
    lol, no. he was actually attacked for being a secret liberal quite often and was a governor of Massachusetts. His conservative credentials were more a product of his fiscal positions that are hardly based on arch-conservative ideology

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    Re: Is this Media Matters claim fact, or fiction?

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    You can not prove intent but you can surely evolve an understanding of his technique (or style) that would bring his intent into question
    So what do you think the intent was behind him saying that he contacted the state and was waiting for confirmation, and the intent behind him saying that he didn't know if any of the claims the woman made were true?

    I believe the intent there was pretty clear, and it sure does cast a ton of doubt on that hypothesis of yours.

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    Re: Is this Media Matters claim fact, or fiction?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    So what do you think the intent was behind him saying that he contacted the state and was waiting for confirmation, and the intent behind him saying that he didn't know if any of the claims the woman made were true?

    I believe the intent there was pretty clear, and it sure does cast a ton of doubt on that hypothesis of yours.
    Ohhhhh G ..... bait much??
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    Re: Is this Media Matters claim fact, or fiction?

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    Ohhhhh G ..... bait much??
    Bait?

    You are the one who chose to speculate on his intent, so I was curious as to what you thought his intent behind those 2 statements were. Funny how you have chosen to do exactly what Pete has done since the moment this topic began, which is to pretend that those statements were never made.

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    Re: Is this Media Matters claim fact, or fiction?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    So what do you think the intent was behind him saying that he contacted the state and was waiting for confirmation, and the intent behind him saying that he didn't know if any of the claims the woman made were true?

    I believe the intent there was pretty clear, and it sure does cast a ton of doubt on that hypothesis of yours.
    He never specifically said he contacted or is waiting for confirmation from California, he said: "we haven't been even able to confirm from the state of California whether Tresa's husband from 10 years ago was killed, or if he's dead, or if she even had a husband. Did she make the story up? I don't know. Nobody's asking questions." Of course, if he never contacted them, he would never from them.

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    Re: Is this Media Matters claim fact, or fiction?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    He never specifically said he contacted or is waiting for confirmation from California, he said: "we haven't been even able to confirm from the state of California whether Tresa's husband from 10 years ago was killed, or if he's dead, or if she even had a husband. Did she make the story up? I don't know. Nobody's asking questions." Of course, if he never contacted them, he would never from them.
    So chances are, even if the state of California was contacted, that Beck was implying that they were not investigating something about which no evidence existed beyond the statement of this person in a video, and which they could not possibly have been aware of if the woman just made it up anyway...

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