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    Re: Is this Media Matters claim fact, or fiction?

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
    Well, we know what Beck said when he included the disclaimer ... as long as you and MM included Greta, Sean, and Karl, can you please produce what each of them actually said?
    Oh, and to avoid another 3 pages of peripheral comments, give us what they actually said and the context, not what MM said they said because, you know, MM does tend to edit the daylights outa what they produce.
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    There is a link at the OP, scroll down to where it saga "transcripts"

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    Re: Is this Media Matters claim fact, or fiction?

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    I am tired of saying it, why else would they air the story without checking it out if they did not intend to decieve? Back in the old days the RW understood was false witness and lying was. Obvioulsy not anymore.
    I'm tired of saying it... Because the story wasn't "ACORN Worker Kills Her Husband", it was "ACORN Worker Tells People She Killed Her Husband".

    This wasn't a murder expose', it was an undercover video showing the kind of nut jobs that ACORN, a government sponsored community service organization, had working for them giving advice to the public. If you took the political blinders off for just one minute, you would see that her telling perfect strangers who came into her office a story like that, is so outrageous and inappropriate, that the video of her was a story whether what she said happened or not.

    Everything you see is through the lens of your political beliefs, and until that changes, you'll never have a firm grasp on anything.

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    Re: Is this Media Matters claim fact, or fiction?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    It wasn't just Beck, it was also Greta Van Susteren, Sean Hannity and Karl Rove. The video was NOT shown by their real news people.
    I believe the question he asked you was:

    "Please provide your evidence that Beck did intend to mislead his audience."

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    Re: Is this Media Matters claim fact, or fiction?

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
    Well, we know what Beck said when he included the disclaimer ... as long as you and MM included Greta, Sean, and Karl, can you please produce what each of them actually said?
    Oh, and to avoid another 3 pages of peripheral comments, give us what they actually said and the context, not what MM said they said because, you know, MM does tend to edit the daylights outa what they produce.
    I'll do you one better than that... He already posted what they said, and here was my response:

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    Here we go again... Another round of Pete refusing to see words that don't fit his agenda.



    Hello boys and girls, and welcome basic English 101... Have a seat and open your books to Chapter 1.

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Beck: "I'm not a lawyer. I'm not a jury. But gosh, even to me, it seems like this is a potential admission of murder." After airing video of Tresa Kaelke stating that she shot her ex-husband, Beck stated, "This is twisted, bizarre, macabre -- I mean, is this theater? I'm not a lawyer. I'm not a jury. But, gosh, even to me, it seems like this is a potential admission of murder. And the way she was describing doing some groundwork beforehand, you know, so everybody in town knew exactly what was going on, a case might be made for premeditated murder." Beck later added, "[W]e we haven't been even able to confirm from the state of California whether Tresa's husband from 10 years ago was killed, or if he's dead, or if she even had a husband. Did she make the story up? I don't know. Nobody's asking questions." [Glenn Beck, 9/15/09]


    Question 1: What does the word "admission" mean pertaining to the above paragraph?
    A: It means that they are discussing what the person has claimed to have done, as opposed to discussing what the person actually did. It means that the action claimed is alleged, rather than established to have taken place.

    Question 2: What does the phrase "we haven't been even able to confirm" mean?
    A: It means that himself and the network didn't know whether the list of claims that followed, were true or false.

    Question 3: What does "Did she make the story up? I don't know" in the above paragraph mean?
    A: It means that he did not know whether the woman's many claims in the video were true, or merely fabrications on her part.

    Question 4: What was determined in the above paragraph pertaining to the veracity of claims made by the woman on the video tape?
    A: It was clearly stated that they had no information that either confirmed, or refuted the claims made by the woman, which is why no determination was made.





    OK, let's move on to chapter 2:




    Rove: ACORN must have "terrific ... human resources department to hire people like that." Karl Rove stated that Kaelke "admitted to -- or claimed to have killed her husband because she thought he was going to abuse her at some point. So, she's claimed that she shot him in the head. I mean, this is an organization that really must have a terrific human relations -- human resources department to hire people like that." [On the Record, 9/15/09]

    Question 1: When Mr. Rove said "people like that" who was he referring to?
    A: As he stated, he was referring to the woman from the video who "claimed to have killed her husband" and "claimed that she shot him in the head".

    Question 2: Did Mr. Rove indicate that her assertions were true?
    A: No he didn't. Both times he commented on what the woman said, he referred to them as her claims, not her actions.

    Question 3: What was determined in the above paragraph pertaining to the veracity of claims made by the woman on the video tape?
    A: Nothing was determined. What the woman said was only referred to as her "claims", indicating that the veracity of those claims had not yet been determined.




    Let's move on to the last chapter we're covering today... Turn to the first page in chapter 3 boys and girls, and lets examine that first paragraph.




    Hannity: "[S]he's on tape admitting that she plotted to kill and had her husband killed, but we don't know if it's true yet." Hannity asked Hannah Giles, the woman who posed as a prostitute, "Have you ever checked to see if in fact she had a husband who was killed?" Giles stated, "We're working on that." Hannity later stated, "So she's on tape admitting that she plotted to kill and had her husband killed, but we don't know if it's true yet." During a later segment, country music singer John Rich said, "[W]hat kind of screening process are they going through that they let a lady who admits to killing her husband standing right there?" [Hannity, 9/15/09]

    Question 1: What does the word "admitting" mean pertaining to the above paragraph?
    A: It means "claimed to have done".

    Question 2: What does the phrase "but we don't know if it's true yet" mean, and who is it referring to?
    A: It's referring to the woman on the video tape and it means that both himself as well as the network, didn't know whether the claims she made on that tape were true or false. In other words, the veracity of her claims at that point, hadn't been determined

    Question 3: Does the last sentence in the above paragraph indicate that the woman's claims are factual?
    A: No they don't. She was never referred to as a killer or murderer, just as someone who claims to be.




    OK boys and girls, it's final exam time... Put away your books.

    Question 1: Did anyone who was quoted above refer to the woman in the video tape as a "Killer" or "murderer"?
    A: No

    Question 2: Did anyone who was quoted above, indicate that that the woman's claims were factual, and that she did in fact shoot her husband in the head, killing him?
    A: No

    Question 3: Does a claim of action, constitute proof of action?
    A: No

    Question 4: Do any of the quotes above, which were taken from shows that aired on Fox News, substantiate the claim made by Media Matters that "Fox News reports fake murder story from ACORN video as fact"?
    A: Absolutely not.

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    Re: Is this Media Matters claim fact, or fiction?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    I believe the question he asked you was:

    "Please provide your evidence that Beck did intend to mislead his audience."
    Read the transcripts, it's pretty clear.

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    Re: Is this Media Matters claim fact, or fiction?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Read the transcripts, it's pretty clear.
    I believe he wants you to tell him what you see specifically as evidence... In other words Pete, your thought, not what they said.

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    Re: Is this Media Matters claim fact, or fiction?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    ?
    There is a link at the OP, scroll down to where it saga "transcripts"
    For one thing, I asked you not to cite MM but sobeit.
    For another, the woman allegedly making up her story shouldn't have let anyone leave without telling them she was making it up.
    For yet another thing, the reporting appears to have been accurate, no? She made those claims and they reported she made those claims.

    Look ... if I were you I'd reconsider knee-jerk defenses of ACORN given their, um, ethical proclivities.

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    Re: Is this Media Matters claim fact, or fiction?

    Half of the country is left wing. Words means things as Rush said. The RWers refer to themselves as dittoheads for a reason. The sneak thing is just another way the right rationalizes not being in complete control, that and freebies and other RW memes. In reality just over half of America disagrees with them. If libs are a minority why is in the Repubs are in charge of everything?
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    I would disagree. A number of times it has been attempted to start left leaning talk radio, last experiment I recall was Air America, which collapsed due to lack of income.

    The market isn't willing to pay for the privileged of listening to left wing ideas.

    The left have to 'sneak' their agenda into legislation, which isn't read by legislators before voting on it, such as ObamaCare. Really, the liberal position on the political spectrum is a minority in the US.
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    Re: Is this Media Matters claim fact, or fiction?

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    Half of the country is left wing. Words means things as Rush said. The RWers refer to themselves as dittoheads for a reason. The sneak thing is just another way the right rationalizes not being in complete control, that and freebies and other RW memes. In reality just over half of America disagrees with them. If libs are a minority why is in the Repubs are in charge of everything?
    A bit dated, but still pertinent.


    Conservatives Continue to Outnumber Moderates in 2010

    So the assertion that 1/2 of the country is left wing appears to be without a factual basis.

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    Re: Is this Media Matters claim fact, or fiction?

    So how did Obama get elected?
    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    A bit dated, but still pertinent.
    Conservatives Continue to Outnumber Moderates in 2010

    So the assertion that 1/2 of the country is left wing appears to be without a factual basis.
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