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    Re: Are you going to watch the State of the Union?

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    I could NOT watch it, and NOT rely on other sources, and still talk about it. Because its the same speech hes been giving for 5 years.
    And aren't they just variations of the speeches he gives the other 364 days a year?
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    Re: Are you going to warch the State of the Union?

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    watched about 1/2.
    Same old stuff.
    Lots of ideas, little on how to pay for it.
    From "savings", accomplished by tax reform, of course - it was buried in his SOTU speech. Obama, like many liberals, view tax "loopholes" as gov't spending (corporate welfare?) so eliminating those tax deductions and credits is said to yield "savings".
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    Re: Are you going to warch the State of the Union?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    From "savings", accomplished by tax reform, of course - it was buried in his SOTU speech. Obama, like many liberals, view tax "loopholes" as gov't spending (corporate welfare?) so eliminating those tax deductions and credits is said to yield "savings".
    - Seems we still have a debt.
    - Seems we still don't have a balanced budget, (the deficit is heading in the right direction - smaller).
    - We could use tax reform.

    I love it when someone (dems) suggest we could take the "money spent on wars" and spend them in the US. What part of a non balanced budget don't they understand.

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    Re: Are you going to warch the State of the Union?

    I watched the speech as I said I would.

    And yes, it was just the same speech he has delivered for the last three years, dusted off, reworded a bit here and there, but the same speech. Unfortunately his groomers didn't properly brief him on the flubbed acronym for a personal retirement savings program. I guess the current IRAs and 401-Ks and savings bonds just weren't sufficient for that. But I did feel a little sorry for him that he didn't have a clue what he was talking about and it made him look foolish. I have to give his joke writers props for a couple or three good lines, and I will give him props for being able to use a teleprompter effectively.

    But if anybody was looking for anything at all ground breaking or that was mostly honest re the state of the union in that speech, it just wasn't there.
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    Re: Are you going to warch the State of the Union?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    I watched the speech as I said I would.

    And yes, it was just the same speech he has delivered for the last three years, dusted off, reworded a bit here and there, but the same speech. Unfortunately his groomers didn't properly brief him on the flubbed acronym for a personal retirement savings program. I guess the current IRAs and 401-Ks and savings bonds just weren't sufficient for that. But I did feel a little sorry for him that he didn't have a clue what he was talking about and it made him look foolish. I have to give his joke writers props for a couple or three good lines, and I will give him props for being able to use a teleprompter effectively.

    But if anybody was looking for anything at all ground breaking or that was mostly honest re the state of the union in that speech, it just wasn't there.
    Judging from the body language that I saw from the people assembled, no one was overly impressed with his speech, including the Dems who were apparently hoping for something more. There was polite clapping, and some stood up when they agreed, but no exuberance displayed as in previous speeches.

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    Re: Are you going to warch the State of the Union?

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Judging from the body language that I saw from the people assembled, no one was overly impressed with his speech, including the Dems who were apparently hoping for something more. There was polite clapping, and some stood up when they agreed, but no exuberance displayed as in previous speeches.

    Greetings, AlbqOwl.
    I wonder what more they were hoping for? More empty promises?

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    Re: Are you going to warch the State of the Union?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I wonder what more they were hoping for? More empty promises?
    Good morning, ChrisL.

    I think they may have been looking for a more hopeful message from him, with potential future results. There really wasn't much new that he said...it was mostly just a rehash of past messages. There have been a lot of "scandals" this past year, and many are concerned about their future. His job is secure---theirs may not be. The problems with the ACA didn't help matters, and while he stated that things are getting better, the man on the street doesn't see them. There are now more than 92 million unemployed people in this country, with 50 million on food stamps. Our infrastructure is crumbling, food prices are going up all the time, and there's a lot of work to be done to fix those problems. Those in the audience know these things, but he didn't address them. I don't know...

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    Re: Are you going to warch the State of the Union?

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Good morning, ChrisL.

    I think they may have been looking for a more hopeful message from him, with potential future results. There really wasn't much new that he said...it was mostly just a rehash of past messages. There have been a lot of "scandals" this past year, and many are concerned about their future. His job is secure---theirs may not be. The problems with the ACA didn't help matters, and while he stated that things are getting better, the man on the street doesn't see them. There are now more than 92 million unemployed people in this country, with 50 million on food stamps. Our infrastructure is crumbling, food prices are going up all the time, and there's a lot of work to be done to fix those problems. Those in the audience know these things, but he didn't address them. I don't know...
    He doesn't care about any of those issues. His presidency is pretty much over. He just wanted to make a name for himself with a new healthcare plan, to be the president who changed the face of the healthcare system I'm sure. Too bad, the bill is terribly ineffective.

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    Re: Are you going to warch the State of the Union?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    He doesn't care about any of those issues. His presidency is pretty much over. He just wanted to make a name for himself with a new healthcare plan, to be the president who changed the face of the healthcare system I'm sure. Too bad, the bill is terribly ineffective.
    His presidency is not dead yet.
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    Re: Are you going to warch the State of the Union?

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    His presidency is not dead yet.
    You are right. He has three years to go and he can do a tremendous amount of more damage with that kind of time to work with. We can't just sit back and assume his early lame duck status will save us. The only hope we have to keep him in check is the reluctance of Democrats up for re-election next year to follow him like lemmings into the sea. We need to make sure they continue to be concerned.
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