View Poll Results: Is Redistribution of Wealth a valid exercise of Government authority?

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  • Yes, it is an essential component of modern societies.

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  • Yes, it is not optimal, but a necessary function.

    13 26.53%
  • No, it is not a valid form of Government authority.

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  • No, it is neither necessary nor moral.

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    Re: Redistribution of Wealth.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    Please define what is meant by "redistribution of wealth".

    You talking about income taxes?
    By in large yes, although taxes on financial transactions and inheritance in order to fund social safety nets and supplement the poor's income could also apply.

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    Re: Redistribution of Wealth.

    Quote Originally Posted by a351 View Post
    By in large yes, although taxes on financial transactions and inheritance in order to fund social safety nets and supplement the poor's income could also apply.
    So that comes back to my other question for a different member's post.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    So things like education, roads, hospitals, sewers, clean water to drink, police fire and rescue.......those things should only be available to the people who can afford it? The rich?

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    Re: Redistribution of Wealth.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    So things like education, roads, hospitals, sewers, clean water to drink, police fire and rescue.......those things should only be available to the people who can afford it? The rich?
    In most mass markets, the majority of firms sell products not to the rich but to middle and lower income buyers. There are many more Honda Civics and Toyota Corollas bought than Lamborghinis.

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    Re: Redistribution of Wealth.

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    In most mass markets, the majority of firms sell products not to the rich but to middle and lower income buyers. There are many more Honda Civics and Toyota Corollas bought than Lamborghinis.
    And this means what exactly? Sorry, I don't know what your point is.

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    Re: Redistribution of Wealth.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    And this means what exactly? Sorry, I don't know what your point is.
    My point: On the market, firms supply goods to the rich, middle class, and poor, with the overwhelming majority of firms catering to the middle class and poor. So, no, the goods you mention, like all goods, won't only be available to the rich.

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    Re: Redistribution of Wealth.

    Wealth distribution is almost exclusively for hypocrites and mooches.

    The hypocrites are the wealthy people that run around saying that taxes should be raised...but then why don't they just donate extra money at tax time, if it's the right thing to do? Because they are hypocrites. They either believe it will never happen in their life time or their team of accountants promise them that they will loophole their way into making sure these billionaires don't pay an extra penny OR they will just leave the country if it goes too far.
    So they run around telling people they want to pay more taxes so they can look noble - all while not actually doing anything about it.


    And the mooches? For them, it's nothing more then greed and resentment.

    These mooches have enough to live on just by sitting on their asses and filling out the right government forms. And if everyone was in the same boat, they would probably be fine with it. But since there are people that have great wealth...they get resentful. They feel wealth is impossible for them. So, they don't want anyone else to be wealthy either.
    Of course, they will NEVER admit that...maybe not even to themselves. But that IS the basis for all this.

    It's not that they need more money to survive. They already have the basics of survival. In fact, there are probably billions in the world that would love to be as 'rich' as the 'poor' American on welfare.

    No, they want more stuff and they don't know how to earn it...so they want the rich to give it to them. Which kills two birds with one stone...it gets them their free extra stuff AND it makes the rich, poorer.

    Oh, they will make it sound noble and decent. And they will get a bunch of liberal think tanks to publish 'exhaustive' studies that prove how good it would be for America (which it isn't, of course. But you can always make a study back up just about any position you wish).

    But in the end...it all comes down to two things:

    greed and resentment.

    Btw - this does not make them 'bad' people...just human.
    Last edited by DA60; 01-26-14 at 10:58 AM.

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    Re: Redistribution of Wealth.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    So things like education, roads, hospitals, sewers, clean water to drink, police fire and rescue.......those things should only be available to the people who can afford it? The rich?
    What are you talking about? Most, if not all, of what you mention are not federal gov't constitutional powers in the first place. The objection is not to use of taxation to fund gov't infrastructure, or to provide gov't services for the benefit of all, but to taxing some citizens in order to provide "free stuff" to other citizens based on their "personal need" for gov't help in meeting basic living expenses. Few object to helping the elderly or disabled using public funds, but to offer a reward (via income redistribution, from so called "safety net" programs) for personal economic failure, to the "working class" is simply insane and now accounts for about 25% of total federal spending.
    “The reasonable man adapts himself to the world: the unreasonable one persists to adapt the world to himself.
    Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” ― George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman

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    Re: Redistribution of Wealth.

    Redistribution of wealth is unworkable and contrary to Biblical principles.

    A Jewish rabbi explains why, and a Christian provides his commentary.

    Obama vs. the Bible – Redistribution of Wealth « The Righter Report

    Excerpts:

    "It is America’s men and women of wealth, imbued with religious and civic responsibility, who have served as the greatest patrons of the civic infrastructure, be it hospitals, libraries, museums, the arts, or the charitable United Way. England once had those patrons, but they went away as redistribution of wealth came in."

    "The primary theme of the Bible is individual responsibility, not entitlement and dependency."
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    Re: Redistribution of Wealth.

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    Wealth distribution is for hypocrites and mooches...period.

    The hypocrites are the wealthy people that run around saying that taxes should be raised...but then why don't they just donate extra money at tax time, if it's the right thing to do? Because they are hypocrites. They either believe it will never happen in their life time or their team of accountants promise them that they will loophole their way into making sure these billionaires don't pay an extra penny OR they will just leave the country if it goes too far.
    So they run around telling people they want to pay more taxes so they can look noble - all while not actually doing anything about it.


    And the mooches? For them, it's nothing more then greed and resentment.

    These mooches have enough to live on just by sitting on their asses and filling out the right government forms. And if everyone was in the same boat, they would probably be fine with it. But since there are people that have great wealth...they get resentful. They feel wealth is impossible for them. So, they don't want anyone else to be wealthy either.
    Of course, they will NEVER admit that...maybe not even to themselves. But that IS the basis for all this.

    It's not that they need more money to survive. They already have the basics of survival. In fact, there are probably billions in the world that would love to be as 'rich' as the 'poor' American on welfare.

    No, they want more stuff and they don't know how to earn it...so they want the rich to give it to them. Which kills two birds with one stone...it gets them their free extra stuff AND it makes the rich, poorer.

    Greed and resentment.
    I am neither resentful, nor especially greedy, nor am I hypocritical or a mooch.

    I work 60 hours or more a week, my wife works 45-50, we make over 100k a year post bonuses, between us. I am perfectly willing to pay my taxes. I could care less about how much the wealthy make, up to the point that their greed begins to harm the economy...MY economy...OUR economy.

    You may want to rethink your assessment.
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    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: Redistribution of Wealth.

    Quote Originally Posted by Logicman View Post
    Redistribution of wealth is unworkable and contrary to Biblical principles.

    A Jewish rabbi explains why, and a Christian provides his commentary.

    Obama vs. the Bible – Redistribution of Wealth « The Righter Report

    Excerpts:

    "It is America’s men and women of wealth, imbued with religious and civic responsibility, who have served as the greatest patrons of the civic infrastructure, be it hospitals, libraries, museums, the arts, or the charitable United Way. England once had those patrons, but they went away as redistribution of wealth came in."

    "The primary theme of the Bible is individual responsibility, not entitlement and dependency."
    Individual responsibility, eh?

    Tell that to all the children burned in Gamora, or drowned in the flood, bub.
    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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