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    Re: Should cars have built-in speed limit?

    Quote Originally Posted by TNAR View Post
    Why is it so difficult to understand that determining the proper speed at which to drive is simply one more decision everyone is capable of making?
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    Re: Should cars have built-in speed limit?

    Quote Originally Posted by TNAR View Post
    You're exactly right. Nobody has to tell you those things because you are fully capable of recognizing the merits of each. It is not against the law to set yourself on fire, drink gasoline, jump out of a plane without a parachute, or punch a grizzly bear in the face, and yet nobody is in a hurry to outlaw them. Why not? Because it is obvious that everyone can make these decisions. Why is it so difficult to understand that determining the proper speed at which to drive is simply one more decision everyone is capable of making?
    Your rights end where my face begins. You do NOT have the right to participate in any activity that directly harms my safety. Like the ones I mentioned above.

    Geez, dude. Can you not see how your attitude enable road rage? Like, seriously, with attitudes like those, I WANT to see more cops out on the streets enforcing traffic laws. I'd rather have to drive a little slower if it means driving a lot safer.
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    Re: Should cars have built-in speed limit?

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post
    Yeah, like this guy.

    That idiotic driver peacefully endangered human lives. /snark

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    Re: Should cars have built-in speed limit?

    I wonder what the country will look like once we have equipment that prevents all illegal activity, not just that which we deem to be bad in our own personal world.

    It's not that I approve of speeding but rather that I'm afraid of big brother and the disparity of opinion across the country about what should be illegal.

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    Re: Should cars have built-in speed limit?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    I see people walking and riding bikes along state and county highways all the time. Nor do I have any idea where he concluded it is illegal to walk on highways? I know of NO highway around here where it is illegal to walk or ride a bike. The only one I can think of are Interstates. Its quite a distance to the nearest Interstate.
    There are a couple here that are not interstates where pedestrian traffic is illegal but when I talk about it I generally mean interstates.
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    Re: Should cars have built-in speed limit?

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Your rights end where my face begins. You do NOT have the right to participate in any activity that directly harms my safety. Like the ones I mentioned above.
    Virtually every driver in America exceeds the speed limit on a daily basis. It is common knowledge that law enforcement generally allows a “leeway” above the legal limit. This directly proves that the speed limit itself is primarily arbitrary and does nothing to promote safety or any excess of this limit would be punished. A person driving ten miles over the limit on a deserted stretch of highway is endangering nobody. To claim that every instance of speeding “directly harms [your] safety” is a flat out lie. The vast majority of accidents involve poor judgment and ability, not speed by itself.

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Geez, dude. Can you not see how your attitude enable road rage?
    My motto is lead, follow, or get out of the way. The biggest problem with most roadways in America is ignorance and arrogance. My attitude is one of indifference. Go faster than me, go slower than me, it makes no difference. However, there are many drivers who seem to have no understanding of proper road etiquette. Get your butt in the right lane and stay there unless you’re passing. This more than any other reason causes traffic flow problems and decreases the safety of other drivers. It is this action coupled with other drivers’ poor judgment (i.e. tailgating, weaving, etc.) which creates an unsafe environment, not speed.

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    Re: Should cars have built-in speed limit?

    Quote Originally Posted by TNAR View Post
    Virtually every driver in America exceeds the speed limit on a daily basis. It is common knowledge that law enforcement generally allows a “leeway” above the legal limit. This directly proves that the speed limit itself is primarily arbitrary and does nothing to promote safety or any excess of this limit would be punished. A person driving ten miles over the limit on a deserted stretch of highway is endangering nobody. To claim that every instance of speeding “directly harms [your] safety” is a flat out lie. The vast majority of accidents involve poor judgment and ability, not speed by itself.
    Will you please tone down the rhetoric and stop the lies and false dichotomy? It is very difficult to have a rational discussion when you do this. Now, I have been very clear that I am open to reviewing speed limits on a case-by-case basis. Now, getting back to the discussion, we must consider speed limits' effects on all kinds of roads, not just rural highways. For example, Europe is commonly known for rather high speed limits on its rural freeways--and I'm not just talking about the Autobahn--but far less commonly known for their low speed limits in town. My belief is that speed-related fatalities are a much more common problem in town than on the open road, and I'm willing to accept clear evidence to the contrary.

    My motto is lead, follow, or get out of the way. The biggest problem with most roadways in America is ignorance and arrogance. My attitude is one of indifference. Go faster than me, go slower than me, it makes no difference. However, there are many drivers who seem to have no understanding of proper road etiquette. Get your butt in the right lane and stay there unless you’re passing. This more than any other reason causes traffic flow problems and decreases the safety of other drivers. It is this action coupled with other drivers’ poor judgment (i.e. tailgating, weaving, etc.) which creates an unsafe environment, not speed.
    And this, sir, is an attitude that enables road rage. People like you are why I have to spend as little time in the left lane as possible when passing. When you choose to intimidate law-abiding drivers via aggressive driving habits, YOU ARE TAKING AWAY THEIR CHOICES. YOU ARE VIOLATING THEIR FREEDOM, THE FREEDOM TO ATTEMPT STAY ALIVE. In that moment, you pose a greater danger to that person than a serial killer does. It is you, not they, who are in violation of the law, provided they are at least going the speed limit (the only concession I am willing to grant here). You don't like someone driving 60 mph in a 60-mph zone? Then use the democratic process and lobby to get the speed limit raised. In the meantime, stop acting like a whiny child who can't get his way.

    But hey. I've been driving for nearly two decades and have a grand total of one fender-bender (which was not my fault) and one ticket (which was my fault). So what would I know about road safety.
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    Re: Should cars have built-in speed limit?

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251
    Will you please tone down the rhetoric and stop the lies and false dichotomy?
    I was thinking the same of you.

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251
    My belief is that speed-related fatalities are a much more common problem in town than on the open road, and I'm willing to accept clear evidence to the contrary.
    My stance from the very beginning has been that individuals, when given the opportunity, will more accurately determine the proper and safe speed/manner in which to drive and there is ample evidence to support this proposition. As I mentioned very early in this thread, the frequency of accidents in Montana decreased significantly with higher speeds. Similarly, when traffic signs are removed accidents decrease and traffic flow increases.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251
    And this, sir, is an attitude that enables road rage.
    How does indifference enable road rage?

    Most of the road rage I perceive comes from people who believe themselves to be in a great hurry and cannot get around slower moving traffic which stays in the left lane. Right or wrong, this is a primary cause of road rage. We all know these people: they sit two inches off your bumper, make gestures, swerve around cars, and generally act recklessly.

    There is an enormous difference between driving swiftly and driving recklessly. I would much prefer that cars in front of me pull over to the right lane so I may pass (I myself stay in the right lane – which, oddly enough, tends to be less congested – unless I am passing) and continue on my merry way. However, being stuck in the Middle East for a couple of years has given me a renewed sense of patience. So I either wait for a safe opportunity or give a friendly reminder that there are other people on the road by flashing my headlights.

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251
    You don't like someone driving 60 mph in a 60-mph zone?
    I have no issue with people driving any particular speed they choose. What I do have issue with is other people telling me what speed to drive. Stay the hell out of my car and I will stay out of yours. Furthermore, I have no desire to allow an ignorant mob to tell me how to live my life, let alone how quickly I may drive.

    But hey, I've been driving for over two decades and have a grand total of two fender-benders (both of which occurred while my vehicle was not moving). So what would I know about road safety?

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    Re: Should cars have built-in speed limit?

    Quote Originally Posted by TNAR View Post
    You're exactly right. Nobody has to tell you those things because you are fully capable of recognizing the merits of each. It is not against the law to set yourself on fire, drink gasoline, jump out of a plane without a parachute, or punch a grizzly bear in the face, and yet nobody is in a hurry to outlaw them. Why not? Because it is obvious that everyone can make these decisions. Why is it so difficult to understand that determining the proper speed at which to drive is simply one more decision everyone is capable of making?
    Because setting yourself on fire, drinking gasoline, jumping out of a plane without a parachute, and punching a grizzly bear in the face are all actions which in the vast majority of cases only cause harm to yourself.

    However, driving really fast and hitting someone causes harm to someone other than yourself, which is why speed limits. Because, frankly, slower travel means more reaction time, thus less chance of accidents. Of course other factors can cause accidents, so it's not foolproof. And it can be taken too far, I suspect.

    Edit: Also, your local law enforcement needs the money for new bumper-mounted miniguns.
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    Re: Should cars have built-in speed limit?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Because setting yourself on fire, drinking gasoline, jumping out of a plane without a parachute, and punching a grizzly bear in the face are all actions which in the vast majority of cases only cause harm to yourself. However, driving really fast and hitting someone causes harm to someone other than yourself, which is why speed limits.
    See, we're arguing two different things. I agree that all of those things I mentioned potentially only harm myself. However, the same goes for speeding. Where we are having a major disconnect is that you are assuming that after I speed I suddenly hit someone. You are irrevocably associating speeding with hitting someone. This is a disingenuous assumption.

    I could set myself on fire and then tackle an innocent bystander. I could drink gasoline and punch someone in the face. I could jump out of a plane without a parachute and land on someone. I could punch a grizzly bear in the face and then escape certain death by throwing someone else into the path of the charging bear.

    The nanny state thrives on "what if" scenarios. I am arguing that speed by itself does not cause accidents. Period. There certainly becomes a speed at which operating a vehicle becomes dangerous, but this speed cannot be determined prior to the act. As many of us have said repeatedly, there are simply too many variables to derive a single limit.

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