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    Re: Should cars have built-in speed limit?

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    Looks better than my Chevelle.

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    Ok, you mentioned emissions. How do you know one puts out more than the other? Got the DEQ numbers?
    We don't have that, here, so - no, I don't. But I've done enough reading to know what the averages were in the early 70's compared to what my LEV Dodge puts out. It's not a big leap to say 10x more - mostly in nitrogen compounds.
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    Re: Should cars have built-in speed limit?

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    Sigh. I guess you missed the post where I explained that I was not talking about emissions equipment.
    Mmmm, I guess I did. Care to give me a rough hint where that post is? I don't mind looking a little but we're up to 250+ posts, now.
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    Re: Should cars have built-in speed limit?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Mmmm, I guess I did. Care to give me a rough hint where that post is? I don't mind looking a little but we're up to 250+ posts, now.
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    Re: Should cars have built-in speed limit?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    We don't have that, here, so - no, I don't. But I've done enough reading to know what the averages were in the early 70's compared to what my LEV Dodge puts out. It's not a big leap to say 10x more - mostly in nitrogen compounds.
    Even if you have never seen a '60s or '70s car blow zeros on an emission test I have.

    In Las Vegas you have to smog a car every year and we would adjust the car when it was on the machine.

    Why do you asume the, what was it a Satellite, would blow 10X more than the newer car?
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    Re: Should cars have built-in speed limit?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    We don't have that, here, so - no, I don't. But I've done enough reading to know what the averages were in the early 70's compared to what my LEV Dodge puts out. It's not a big leap to say 10x more - mostly in nitrogen compounds.
    Darn. One of these days in one of these discussions I am going to get someone to bring theirs up and answer a few questions so I can demonstrate a point about DEQ/EPA measurements that some people keep telling me I'm lying about. So I want someone to present it then answer those questions and they can then understand my point.

    We don't have it either. The closest is in Dallas and also, I don't know if it is separate from state inspection there or part of it. If it is part of it and I fail, I cannot then get my car inspected anywhere else in the state. Besides, the cost to drive that distance and pay for the test alone is just not worth it just to make a point on this forum.

    That is partly because of the CAT. It is designed to burn the hydrocarbons (unburnt fuel) and because it does it with basically no compression, it is a very inefficient burn giving off lots more nitrogen compounds and other things, but less, by their measure, CO2.

    The point I'm trying to make if I can ever get a DEQ reading posted is that their readings are a ratio measure, not a particle count or amount. If you get 70 ppm, that means 70 of every 1 million particles are that item. Nothing tells you how many particles. There is nothing that says your motor puts out X grams of CO2 per mile. A car can put out 10 ppm compared to your 70ppm but in reality you might put out 35 grams per mile and the other car may put out 100 grams per mile, DEQ just doesn't check that nor does EPA regulate emissions that way.

    If you test two cars without Cats, the car with the lower Hydrocarbon to CO2 ration will be the more efficient burn, not necessarily in fuel mileage of course, just a more efficient burn. Anytime you see an increase in CO2 and a decrease in Hydrocarbons, you have made your motor more efficient. CO2 and Water are the only two compounds that must result from combustion of gasoline with oxygen. All the other crap is there because of the atmosphere and poor burn characteristics.
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    Re: Should cars have built-in speed limit?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    Even if you have never seen a '60s or '70s car blow zeros on an emission test I have.

    In Las Vegas you have to smog a car every year and we would adjust the car when it was on the machine.

    Why do you asume the, what was it a Satellite, would blow 10X more tan the newer car?
    Good question. If I have 1 million ppm of coke in a glass, then mix it with water until I get 500K ppm, then the EPA says I decreased the amount of coke. Government math for you there.

    In reality, I just put in the same amount of water, thus doubling the amount of fluid. The amount of coke is still the same.
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    Re: Should cars have built-in speed limit?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    Even if you have never seen a '60s or '70s car blow zeros on an emission test I have.

    In Las Vegas you have to smog a car every year and we would adjust the car when it was on the machine.

    Why do you asume the, what was it a Satellite, would blow 10X more than the newer car?
    We don't have those kind of tests here. Hell, St Louis is the only area in the state that requires vapor recycling at gas pumps. No place in Kansas requires it and that about covers all my close friends.

    A Satellite is the mild-mannered base version of a Road Runner/GTX.

    Something I read a decade ago when I was looking for a newer car. I was looking up what LEV meant and ran across something from a university about the changes in automotive pollution over the decades. That reference is lost to time, I'd probably never find it again - assuming it's even still on-line.
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    Re: Should cars have built-in speed limit?

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    Some already do have governors. Is that what you mean, or one's that will respond automatically to the speed limit of each stretch of road?
    Worthless and overrideable. I know some 4th gen Z28s had top speed limiters. That limit was 105mph.
    Otherwise the whole question of speed limiters on a car is just more big brother cry baby BS.

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    Re: Should cars have built-in speed limit?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    We don't have those kind of tests here. Hell, St Louis is the only area in the state that requires vapor recycling at gas pumps. No place in Kansas requires it and that about covers all my close friends.

    A Satellite is the mild-mannered base version of a Road Runner/GTX.

    Something I read a decade ago when I was looking for a newer car. I was looking up what LEV meant and ran across something from a university about the changes in automotive pollution over the decades. That reference is lost to time, I'd probably never find it again - assuming it's even still on-line.
    I am sorry but the last Road Runner was 1970. Also Road Runners and GTXs are different cars. I am biased when it comes to these cars.

    I have had many older cars that blew zeros on the smog test but I will have to say that very few people keep their cars running so well. This is why the car manufacturers made it so the car does all the work to make sure the emissions stay low, but it is not accurate to say that an older car automatically puts out more emissions than a newer car.

    If just one sensor goes bad on a newer car it becomes a gross polluter.

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    Re: Should cars have built-in speed limit?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    I am sorry but the last Road Runner was 1970. Also Road Runners and GTXs are different cars. I am biased when it comes to these cars.
    Uh, NO.


    First off, Road Runners (and Chargers) - at least, what I call Road Runners - were made until 1974. Many parts from 1971-74 B-bodies (Road Runner, GTX, Charger) interchange across all years. Some interior parts even interchange with E-bodies, Barracuda's and Challengers.


    Secondly: The last GTX as a separate model was made in 1971. In 1972 Chrysler couldn't use the 426 hemi or 440-6,. which only left the 440-4 as an engine for the GTX. Instead of a separate car line, since the GTX and Road Runner have the same base, they decided that any Road Runner with a factory 440 in the 1972-74 years also got GTX badging. My VIN is RM23U2, a 1972 Road Runner with a factory 440 engine, and subsequent GTX badges - a Road Runner GTX, one of only 792 made that year. 1973-74 didn't even have that many total for both years.


    You are ignorant when it comes to these cars. Go ahead, look 'em up at Year One, I'll wait.
    Here's another couple of pages of pics of those non-existent cars. I have to assume NBOA is good enough for you, though they also have an obvious B-body bias:

    http://www.wwnboa.org/pg6772.htm
    http://www.wwnboa.org/prr7174.htm


    When you're done looking you can come back and apologize for your terrible mistake.


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    Here's another pic of mine - notice the license plate?

    Should cars have built-in speed limit?-9906_bluespringss-jpg


    Here's a pic of the trunk badging - still original and unpainted since 1971, when it was produced (the first week of Sep '71, to be exact)

    Should cars have built-in speed limit?-rrdeclsas-jpg


    Why are you biased - because they kept kicking your ass on the strip back then?
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