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    Re: Should cars have built-in speed limit?

    Quote Originally Posted by TNAR View Post
    Who cares what their reasons are? How does it even matter?

    As mentioned previously, I have only been in two accidents throughout my entire life and both times I was hit by someone else while at a complete standstill. That said, I have come close to getting into an accident on a couple of occasions. In every instance, someone either swerved in front of me or slammed on their brakes in some sort of ignorant display of pomposity. I ignore every single speed limit sign I see; not because I have some sort of misplaced disdain for the state, but because speed limits are entirely arbitrary and do absolutely nothing to keep a person safe. If people would concentrate on driving safely withing the limits of their ability and environmental/vehicular limitations, most accidents would not occur. And certainly not the sort of accidents which I nearly became victim to.
    I raised the question of going extreme speeds on a flat, open highway in the middle of nowhere with not a car in sight - and what then should the punishment be? Many, if not most, members wanted prison and banned from driving for live plus seizing the car and huge fine because a school bus full of children would be beamed by tele-transportation in front of that car killing all those innocent children.

    It's called envy. They can't do it so they want it criminal for you to do it. That is a flaw of mob rule (ie democracy).

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    Re: Should cars have built-in speed limit?

    Quote Originally Posted by TNAR View Post
    Nullification.

    Law is nothing more than the codification of social custom and is, as a rule, reactive. When bad law does not change quickly enough for the populace, they ignore it until it goes away. This has occurred all throughout history.
    Do you realize how immature it sounds to bring up nullification as an attempt to enable people to drive however dangerously they want?
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    Re: Should cars have built-in speed limit?

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Do you realize how immature it sounds to bring up nullification as an attempt to enable people to drive however dangerously they want?
    Unless you hit someone while speeding it is a victimless crime. You should not be punished when there is no victim.

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    Re: Should cars have built-in speed limit?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Unless you hit someone while speeding it is a victimless crime. You should not be punished when there is no victim.
    You mean, over 30,000 victims a year? Man, with attitudes like these, no wonder we have such aggressive, self-entitled drivers.
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    Re: Should cars have built-in speed limit?

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Do you realize how immature it sounds to bring up nullification as an attempt to enable people to drive however dangerously they want?
    You do realize that he was talking about speeding, not driving dangerously. Not the same thing.
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    Re: Should cars have built-in speed limit?

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    You mean, over 30,000 victims a year? Man, with attitudes like these, no wonder we have such aggressive, self-entitled drivers.
    What data do you have that "speed" kills or injures 30,000 victims a year? Have you actually even read an accident report? Have you ever worked in safety and have a clue on reporting procedures and evaluations?
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    Re: Should cars have built-in speed limit?

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    Physics simply does not allow maximum efficiency under current EPA guidelines.
    Maximum efficiency is toxic and emissions systems effect output less than you might think. I ought to know - I own a 2002 Intrepid R/T 3.5L (which is an LEV) that has some homemade efficiency modifications but I didn't touch the emissions control systems. I also own a '72 Road Runner GTX, which has a factory 440, now slightly built. Both engines have similar compression, get about the same HP/inch, and the GTX, whose engine is twice as big, gets half the gas mileage, as you might expect. But the GTX spews out over 10x the amount of pollutants - and that's using unleaded gas instead of the leaded gas it was originally designed to use. While there may be some minor power loss from emissions systems it really doesn't amount to anything significant. PCV & EGR systems are used for quenching, vapor recovery systems use no power, and catalytic converters don't restrict squat nowadays. Engineers have learned to USE the emissions control systems instead of leaving them being parasitic like the old days.

    Should cars have built-in speed limit?-9906_blsprngs-jpg
    It's not pristine by a long shot. I put money into the engine instead of the body.


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    Re: Should cars have built-in speed limit?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Maximum efficiency is toxic and emissions systems effect output less than you might think. I ought to know - I own a 2002 Intrepid R/T 3.5L (which is an LEV) that has some homemade efficiency modifications but I didn't touch the emissions control systems. I also own a '72 Road Runner GTX, which has a factory 440, now slightly built. Both engines have similar compression, get about the same HP/inch, and the GTX, whose engine is twice as big, gets half the gas mileage, as you might expect. But the GTX spews out over 10x the amount of pollutants - and that's using unleaded gas instead of the leaded gas it was originally designed to use. While there may be some minor power loss from emissions systems it really doesn't amount to anything significant. The PCV is used for quenching, the vapor recovery system uses no power, and the catalytic converters don't restrict squat. The only thing that drains any power is the EGR and it's draw is very small.

    Should cars have built-in speed limit?-9906_blsprngs-jpg
    It's not pristine by a long shot. I put money into the engine instead of the body.
    Sigh. I guess you missed the post where I explained that I was not talking about emissions equipment.
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    Re: Should cars have built-in speed limit?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Maximum efficiency is toxic and emissions systems effect output less than you might think. I ought to know - I own a 2002 Intrepid R/T 3.5L (which is an LEV) that has some homemade efficiency modifications but I didn't touch the emissions control systems. I also own a '72 Road Runner GTX, which has a factory 440, now slightly built. Both engines have similar compression, get about the same HP/inch, and the GTX, whose engine is twice as big, gets half the gas mileage, as you might expect. But the GTX spews out over 10x the amount of pollutants - and that's using unleaded gas instead of the leaded gas it was originally designed to use. While there may be some minor power loss from emissions systems it really doesn't amount to anything significant. PCV & EGR systems are used for quenching, vapor recovery systems use no power, and catalytic converters don't restrict squat nowadays. Engineers have learned to USE the emissions control systems instead of them being parasitic.

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    It's not pristine by a long shot. I put money into the engine instead of the body.
    Looks better than my Chevelle.

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    Ok, you mentioned emissions. How do you know one puts out more than the other? Got the DEQ numbers?
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    Re: Should cars have built-in speed limit?

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Then do the proper thing and contact your state legislator about it. And if you don't get the results you want, start supporting a candidate who will. That is how the democratic process works. But simply choosing to flaunt traffic laws because you don't like them is childish. It doesn't matter if you think you're morally justified to speed. In a court of LAW, all that matters is the LAW.
    I don't flaunt speed limits - I just ignore them when they're unjustified. I'm a mature, informed, and experienced enough driver to know when the posted limit is low - and I actually understand that roads have design speeds, which I allow for in my driving decisions.

    For me, speeding has nothing to do with morality. If I speed and get caught I pay the fine, don't bitch, and hold no grudge.
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