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    Re: Should cars have built-in speed limit?

    Quote Originally Posted by Truckstop View Post
    This is what most people get wrong. Speed doesn't kill, difference in speed does.
    I can see your point of view.

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    Re: Should cars have built-in speed limit?

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    Actually, impact with solid objects moving slower causing the release of kinetic energy kills. Sudden deceleration sickness. Speed differential just determines the amount of energy there will be there if a crash occurs. Statistically, though credited a lot, speed is actually fairly rare as the actual cause of an accident.
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    Re: Should cars have built-in speed limit?

    Quote Originally Posted by TNAR View Post
    I am baffled. Speed does not cause accidents so why punish the act of exceeding an arbitrary number? Speeding is a victimless crime. To claim that a person who exceeds the speed limit might harm someone is akin to claiming that a person who shoots guns might harm someone. Control and intent are required for harm. Beyond that, accidents happen. But accidents happen everywhere and cannot be legislated away.
    Really? You are baffled?

    Speeding, the driver behavior of exceeding the posted speed limit or driving too fast for conditions, has consistently been shown to be a contributing factor to a significant percentage of fatal and nonfatal crashes. Between 1990 and 2006, the frequency of speeding-related (SR) fatal crashes ranged from 11,000 to 13,000 each year, and the percentage of SR total fatal crashes ranged between 30 and 33 percent according to data observed in the Fatal Analysis Reporting System (FARS)
    Summary Report: Development of a Speeding-Related Crash Typology - FHWA-HRT-10-039

    2. Speeding

    Everything around us is centered on the lure of quick convenience. Drive-thrus, ATMs, and corner stores are just some examples of our need for speed. But on the roadway, speed is undoubtedly deadly. Speeding is one of the most prevalent causes of car accident today according to the U.S. Department of Transportation. Speeding contributes to about a third of all car accidents in America. Slow down and give yourself ample time to get where you need to go. Its not worth saving 10 minutes for the potential of losing your life or putting another person in danger.
    Drivers.com: Top 3 Causes of Car Accidents in America

    Speed Kills - The faster the speed of a vehicle, the greater the risk of an accident. The forces experienced by the human body in a collision increase exponentially as the speed increases. Smart Motorist recommends that drivers observe our 3 second rule in everyday traffic, no matter what your speed. Most people agree that going 100 mph is foolhardy and will lead to disaster. The problem is that exceeding the speed limit by only 5 mph in the wrong place can be just as dangerous. Traffic engineers and local governments have determined the maximum speeds allowable for safe travel on the nation's roadways. Speeding is a deliberate and calculated behavior where the driver knows the risk but ignores the danger. Fully 90% of all licensed drivers speed at some point in their driving career; 75% admit to committing this offense regularly.
    What Causes Car Accidents?

    So speeding is not a victimless crime, it leads to many more victims with more horrific injuries. And the speeding driver does not even have to be the main reason for the accident. If you drive way faster than everyone around you, you will risk causing an accident. Even if it is purely because other people do not expect someone to be a speeding a-hole and overtake someone, which they assume is safe to do because you don't expect someone to be speeding way in excess of the maximum speed limit, only to find yourself being rear ended by someone who thinks he/she is allowed to break the speed limit.

    And the level of injury is also much greater at a higher speed. Being hit by a car traveling 35 miles and hour or being rammed with 55 miles an hour makes a huge difference for your chances of survival. The same with pedestrians, if you drive 10 miles too fast, you will miss people trying to pass on a pedestrian crossing. Or if you drive 50mph in a 35mph and you miss the school kid running out behind the school bus when that child is trying to get home. With 35mph you have a chance of stopping your car or slowing down sufficiently to not cause lethal injury to said kid. Drive 50mph and you will not have time to stop and your remaining speed will most likely still be enough to cripple or kill that child.

    Accident investigations all over the world find that speed is a contributing factor and often even the main factor in accidents. Saying that it is a victimless crime is just totally untrue.
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    Re: Should cars have built-in speed limit?

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post
    OK, fellas, here is the issue: after having a speed limit of, let's say 80 mph, why are cars made to drive up to 140-200 mph? Obviously it would be illegal to drive beyond the speed limit.

    Question: Do you think cars should have built-in electronic speed limit, i.e. the computer limits the speed of the car to what is legal to drive?

    No doubt this could save thousands of lives annually and will prevent criminals from escaping the police (if we presume police cars will not have that electronic speed limit).
    What do you think?
    No chance in Hell. Speed limit laws are already largely unnecessary nonsense as is.

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    Re: Should cars have built-in speed limit?

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post
    OK, fellas, here is the issue: after having a speed limit of, let's say 80 mph, why are cars made to drive up to 140-200 mph? Obviously it would be illegal to drive beyond the speed limit.

    Question: Do you think cars should have built-in electronic speed limit, i.e. the computer limits the speed of the car to what is legal to drive?

    No doubt this could save thousands of lives annually and will prevent criminals from escaping the police (if we presume police cars will not have that electronic speed limit).
    What do you think?
    It sounds reasonable. Although there will be safety issues to arise on the other side of the equation. These incidents would be very rare but would be blown out of proportion. Vehicle fatalities would be reduced as a result. I think it's a wonderful idea.

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    Re: Should cars have built-in speed limit?

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    Federal? No.

    State? Only if the people vote for it.
    It probably isn't practical but it would be beneficial if a state could try it out first. Most federal laws result from successful state laws. For example the Affordable Care Act was successful in Massachusetts under the leadership of Governor Mitt Romney. If it wouldn't have been successful in Massachusetts first, it would have never been attempted by the federal government.

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    Re: Should cars have built-in speed limit?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    You slow down, pull off the road, stop, and take aim.
    What if they have guns?
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    Re: Should cars have built-in speed limit?

    Where on earth do people get the idea that computers are infallible or even smarter than people ? Anyone running Windows knows exactly what happens when a computer or an application encounters a situation it's not programmed for : it crashes; i.e. it gives up, it doesn't know what to do, it's clueless. That is because contrary to humans it has no intelligence. No software is infallible and it has been mathematically proven that any non-trivial software necessarily has bugs. A road control system would be no exception to this rule. And anyone who's on the road a lot knows that cars can make the most bizarre moves in case of unusual circumstances or accidents. A computer system that controls cars would have to have a rule for each and every one of these possibilities. What would your computer controlled car do when another car comes sliding towards you from an angle of 60 at 60mph ? Most likely nothing at all because it would have no rule covering that occurrence (if only for economical reason because a system that would cover every possibility would be prohibitively expensive). A single accident might thus cascade in a general carnage. Yes, there are a lot of bad drivers out there but computers would be even worse at the job.

    Other than that, any system that is network connected is hackable, simple as that. It's just a matter of how much time, effort and resources a would-be hacker is prepared to put into it. I can imagine that in this day and age certain groups, organizations and even countries would be more than motivated to gain access to this system in order to create havoc.

    Even apart from the political implications it's just plain stupid to give more and more control of our lives to computers. It's we who are homo sapiens sapiens, computers are no more intelligent than a washing machine. Before anyone accuses me of being a Luddite, I have four computers in front of me with 5 different OS'es in total; two Linux boxes, a Vista and a dual boot Windows 7/8. It's because I know how shabbily software is designed these days that I wouldn't entrust them with anything really important such as driving a car.

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    Re: Should cars have built-in speed limit?

    anyone that would vote for this enjoys being treated like cattle

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    Re: Should cars have built-in speed limit?

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post
    OK, fellas, here is the issue: after having a speed limit of, let's say 80 mph, why are cars made to drive up to 140-200 mph? Obviously it would be illegal to drive beyond the speed limit.
    Because the speed limit of the road has nothing to do with the desires of the car company to build a car that goes faster than 80 mph or their customers that wants a car that goes faster than 80 mph.

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