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    Re: Should cars have built-in speed limit?

    We could just embed microchips into everybody and control their actions, money, etc. that way when they don't comply with a law or become dangerous to society we can just use gps trackers and pick them. We could also just shut off the money on them when we want to suppress them from not conforming to society as others feel it should be.

    We also could make more laws and more laws because we all know the criminals don't break them only the honest people do.

    I may have taken this a little overboard with this nonsense but at the same time isn't it just another way to slowly strip our personal choices away from us even if it is only speeding? I would think that if you wanted to go fast that you would just buy an older vehicle to bypass the solution anyway. It isn't like people buy new cars every year.

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    Re: Should cars have built-in speed limit?

    Quote Originally Posted by Carjosse View Post
    American muscle cars are ugly and they sound horrible.
    Says someone who is surely just jealous because his own pussified nation has never been able to produce anything comparable to a classic American muscle car.

    The very worst of American cars looks, sounds, and is in every way superior to some Honduh or other piece of riced-out Japanese trash that sounds like a pissed-off weed whacker.
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    Re: Should cars have built-in speed limit?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    Says someone who is surely just jealous because his own pussified nation has never been able to produce anything comparable to a classic American muscle car.
    Not without Americans help.

    Remember where the Camaro and Firebirds were built.

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    Re: Should cars have built-in speed limit?

    Quote Originally Posted by barbarian_style View Post
    We could just embed microchips into everybody and control their actions, money, etc. that way when they don't comply with a law or become dangerous to society we can just use gps trackers and pick them. We could also just shut off the money on them when we want to suppress them from not conforming to society as others feel it should be.

    We also could make more laws and more laws because we all know the criminals don't break them only the honest people do.

    I may have taken this a little overboard with this nonsense but at the same time isn't it just another way to slowly strip our personal choices away from us even if it is only speeding? I would think that if you wanted to go fast that you would just buy an older vehicle to bypass the solution anyway. It isn't like people buy new cars every year.
    It's not just the speeding, but now the state will know all kinds of trivia. Go over an arbitrary mileage allowance: there's a tax for that. Didn't get your oil change within 200 miles of the odometer? There's a tax for that. Fuel cap was opened at a station that doesn't serve ethanol formulas? There's a tax for that.

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    Re: Should cars have built-in speed limit?

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Wrong.

    Governors control the flow of fuel to an engine for the purpose of regulating the engines speed.

    The speed controllers that we are talking about would control the speed of motor vehicles with some type of linkage to the accelerator.
    No. We are talking about speed on computer controlled fuel injection systems they control the speed by limiting fuel through the injectors when the set speed is reached. Thats controlling fuel flow. The only linkage to the accelerator is the data lines from the throttle position sensor to the computer which doesn't even play a part in limiting speed on modern vehicles. The speed sensor senses the speed, the computer then shuts down/limits fuel flow when targeted speed is reached.

    So what exactly is the difference? Is there really one or are you trying to play semantics because you don't have any real argument?
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    Re: Should cars have built-in speed limit?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lovebug View Post
    Aside from a car parking itself, driving long distance quite more than I like to, I often wish cars would be programmable so that you could just sit, relax and arrive at your destination refreshed and ready to go, instead of red eyed, tense and exhausted.
    I do not believe that there will ever be a truly, fully-automatic self-driving car, that can be counted on to safely and consistently get you from point A to point B without requiring some occasional human input. There will always be a need for a human being to be paying attention, and to be prepared to take over where the computer errs.

    In fact, I think that any attempt at a self-driving car is always going to be more dangerous. As it is now, when you travel by car, you expect to have to be paying attention all the time. The process of driving the car keeps your attention engaged on this task. In an automated car, I think the “driver” will usually not be paying attention, and when a dangerous situation arises, that requires human correction, the driver will not be paying enough attention to provide that correction before a serious mishap occurs.
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    Re: Should cars have built-in speed limit?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    Is that all you had?

    I can do without the Cuda and Road Runner but I have 2 darts right now, one I drive every day, 1974.

    I have had a lot of '60s Fords and they are my favorites and I grew up in the back seat of a '68 Galaxie 2 door.

    I have a chance to buy right now a 1970 Galaxie that was made into a Limo, with a middle piece added professionally, that is V8, auto and air. I can tell you that is extremely rare in Mexico as almost all of the big cars were sold with inline 6 engines in those years.

    It needs paint but he only wants about $3000.00 dollars. I am trying to find a way to transport it to where I am.
    I'll bet that 74 Dart has a 225 slant six.
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    Re: Should cars have built-in speed limit?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    I have a big problem with this.

    In my opinion, it would violate the Third, Fourth, and Fifth Amendments.

    The Fifth Amendment is obvious—one cannot be compelled to testify against one's self. By extension, I think one cannot be compelled to have one's own property equipped to testify against one's self either.

    The Fourth is also obvious. Government doesn't get to put recording devices in our homes, even with the restriction that they need a warrant to access what is recorded. Government doesn't get to put such a device in our homes unless it first obtains a warrant. So why should our car be any different than our home in this respect?

    So, how do I think this would violate the Third Amendment? I have a rather unusual view of what the Third Amendment is really about.

    Ostensibly, what the Third Amendment prohibits is government compelling citizens to quarter soldiers (or government agents) in their own homes.

    Now consider that when the Bill of Rights was invented, we had no electronics. No telephones, no sound recording devices, no radio, no microphone—nothing like that. If government wanted to eavesdrop on a private conversation, the only way to do so was to put a human being in a position to hear that conversation.

    So what would be the purpose of government quartering its agents in private homes? It's not about housing; it's about putting those agents in a position to spy on the legitimate occupants of that home.

    And what would be the purpose of government requiring such a “black box” device in a private automobile? It would be to spy on the owner or operator of that automobile.
    There has been barely a handful of Supreme Court case that directly referenced the Third Amendment in the history of the nation. It is about the worst Amendment to reference unless you're talking about the actual quartering of troops. It is referenced more often as evidence of the intent of the framers to sanctify one's right to privacy than it is the quartering of troops.

    The Fourth would be satisfied by the requirement of a warrant or court order -- and don't even bring up FISA, I think that's a legal abomination.

    The Fifth doesn't apply for the same reason that the government can obtain the recordings made by cameras or other devices you install in your own home, provided that they have a warrant or court order.
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    Re: Should cars have built-in speed limit?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    Says someone who is surely just jealous because his own pussified nation has never been able to produce anything comparable to a classic American muscle car.

    The very worst of American cars looks, sounds, and is in every way superiot to some Honduh or other piece of riced-out Japanese trash that sounds like a pissed-off weed whacker.
    We have Bombardier so we don't need muscle cars.

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    Re: Should cars have built-in speed limit?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    I do not believe that there will ever be a truly, fully-automatic self-driving car, that can be counted on to safely and consistently get you from point A to point B without requiring some occasional human input. There will always be a need for a human being to be paying attention, and to be prepared to take over where the computer errs.

    In fact, I think that any attempt at a self-driving car is always going to be more dangerous. As it is now, when you travel by car, you expect to have to be paying attention all the time. The process of driving the car keeps your attention engaged on this task. In an automated car, I think the “driver” will usually not be paying attention, and when a dangerous situation arises, that requires human correction, the driver will not be paying enough attention to provide that correction before a serious mishap occurs.
    How would a an auto-driven car handle this.

    I was on a highway coming out of Lancaster. I saw a car on the other side of the highway loose control and come over to my side and just barely miss the back end of my car.

    How would an auto-driven car handle a situation like this. I don't think it could, which would make it more dangerous.

    I think there will always be too many variables to get this done.

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