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    Re: Should cars have built-in speed limit?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    That would kill most drivers. the sudden burst of speed would make them loose control.
    Good point, so the car will need to control steering, too.

    And in the event of another mall shooting, the cops can just shut down every car in the area.

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    Re: Should cars have built-in speed limit?

    Quote Originally Posted by SMTA View Post
    Snort! We used to call the X-19 a pregnant skateboard.

    Personally, I had the following:

    1971 Plymouth AAR Cuda, 340 4 speed with six pack induction
    1971 Dodge Dart Swinger, 340 4 speed with six pack induction
    1969 Plymouth Road Runner, 440 automatic
    Early 1970 Ford Custom 500 6 cylinder that I paid $80 for and drove for 3 years with no maintenance at all
    Is that all you had?

    I can do without the Cuda and Road Runner but I have 2 darts right now, one I drive every day, 1974.

    I have had a lot of '60s Fords and they are my favorites and I grew up in the back seat of a '68 Galaxie 2 door.

    I have a chance to buy right now a 1970 Galaxie that was made into a Limo, with a middle piece added professionally, that is V8, auto and air. I can tell you that is extremely rare in Mexico as almost all of the big cars were sold with inline 6 engines in those years.

    It needs paint but he only wants about $3000.00 dollars. I am trying to find a way to transport it to where I am.

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    Re: Should cars have built-in speed limit?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    Good point.

    Remember the “runaway Prius” incidents from a few years back?

    A car as complex as a Prius isolates the driver from any direct control over the power train and brakes. You push the “gas” pedal, and you're not really operating the throttle on the engine; you're telling the computer that you want the car to go faster. Press the “brake”*pedal, and you're not really operating the brakes; you're telling the computer that you want the car to go slower. The computer manages the brakes, internal combustion engine, electric motors, and all the systems related thereto, in order to cause the car to behave according to the computer's interpretation of the driver's will.

    And sometimes, computers malfunction. Sometimes there are hardware malfunctions, or errors in the software. And in at least a few known incidents, such malfunctions have resulted in Priuses behaving in incorrect and dangerous ways.

    I think we should always be wary of any proposal that involves having a computer in a car that has the power to override the will of the driver.
    My buddy let me borrow his 2010 Toyota Camry and I didn't like that feeling at all. The computer controlled everything. When I let off the gas, I want the engine to decelerate and not when the computer wants it to.

    After I drove that car, I had no doubt the automatic accelerating car stories were true. A crazy computer will do that.

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    Re: Should cars have built-in speed limit?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Good point, so the car will need to control steering, too.

    And in the event of another mall shooting, the cops can just shut down every car in the area.
    It may come to that, but my 1974 Dart won't shut down.

    If one of those electric pulses ever hit, the diesel cars won't shut down either.

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    Re: Should cars have built-in speed limit?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    Isn't this what happened in the communists countries?

    The cars couldn't go over 30 or 40 MPH. Did that make the population happy?
    I don't think that was a result of an intentional effort to enforce speed limits by installing speed limiters in automobiles; but rather a result of the cars that were made in Communist nations being so crappy that that's as fast as they were capable of going. Not by intentional design, but by extraordinary incompetence.
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    Re: Should cars have built-in speed limit?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    I don't think that was a result of an intentional effort to enforce speed limits by installing speed limiters in automobiles; but rather a result of the cars that were made in Communist nations being so crappy that that's as fast as they were capable of going. Not by intentional design, but by extraordinary incompetence.
    But they would have the same end result, right?

    At least the country would save billions. No infrastructure repairs would have to be made because at low speeds, it doesn't matter if the roads are in bad condition.

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    Re: Should cars have built-in speed limit?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    Good point.

    Remember the “runaway Prius” incidents from a few years back?

    A car as complex as a Prius isolates the driver from any direct control over the power train and brakes. You push the “gas” pedal, and you're not really operating the throttle on the engine; you're telling the computer that you want the car to go faster. Press the “brake”*pedal, and you're not really operating the brakes; you're telling the computer that you want the car to go slower. The computer manages the brakes, internal combustion engine, electric motors, and all the systems related thereto, in order to cause the car to behave according to the computer's interpretation of the driver's will.

    And sometimes, computers malfunction. Sometimes there are hardware malfunctions, or errors in the software. And in at least a few known incidents, such malfunctions have resulted in Priuses behaving in incorrect and dangerous ways.

    I think we should always be wary of any proposal that involves having a computer in a car that has the power to override the will of the driver.
    Manual transmissions are computer controlled now, too. That's not very 'manual' imo.

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    Re: Should cars have built-in speed limit?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    It may come to that, but my 1974 Dart won't shut down.

    If one of those electric pulses ever hit, the diesel cars won't shut down either.
    No not an electric pulse, a command sent via satellite to the computer. The car turns itself off and the computer is locked until the cops send the command to release them.

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    Re: Should cars have built-in speed limit?

    If I remember correctly, there are a few REALLY long roads that don't have speed limits.

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    Re: Should cars have built-in speed limit?

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    I think it would be far more useful for cars to have a black box, which could be accessed only via search warrant or court order. That way, you can be held responsible if your driving causes an accident.
    I have a big problem with this.

    In my opinion, it would violate the Third, Fourth, and Fifth Amendments.

    The Fifth Amendment is obvious—one cannot be compelled to testify against one's self. By extension, I think one cannot be compelled to have one's own property equipped to testify against one's self either.

    The Fourth is also obvious. Government doesn't get to put recording devices in our homes, even with the restriction that they need a warrant to access what is recorded. Government doesn't get to put such a device in our homes unless it first obtains a warrant. So why should our car be any different than our home in this respect?

    So, how do I think this would violate the Third Amendment? I have a rather unusual view of what the Third Amendment is really about.

    Ostensibly, what the Third Amendment prohibits is government compelling citizens to quarter soldiers (or government agents) in their own homes.

    Now consider that when the Bill of Rights was invented, we had no electronics. No telephones, no sound recording devices, no radio, no microphone—nothing like that. If government wanted to eavesdrop on a private conversation, the only way to do so was to put a human being in a position to hear that conversation.

    So what would be the purpose of government quartering its agents in private homes? It's not about housing; it's about putting those agents in a position to spy on the legitimate occupants of that home.

    And what would be the purpose of government requiring such a “black box” device in a private automobile? It would be to spy on the owner or operator of that automobile.
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