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Are you pro life or pro choice?

Are you pro life or pro choice?

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While those are the popular terms, they are misleading.

Some anti-abortion people follow the notion of a consistent life ethic.

Very few pro-abortion people oppose all laws restricting any behavior.
 
Morally I am against abortion, and therefore my answer would be "Pro-Life".

However, I am assuming that the poll is intended to reflect on how I want the law to work.
I am against imposing my moral belief on others.
Therefore, for the purpose of this poll, I am "Pro-Choice", even though I am against abortion.
 
Painter said:
Morally I am against abortion, and therefore my answer would be "Pro-Life".

However, I am assuming that the poll is intended to reflect on how I want the law to work.
I am against imposing my moral belief on others.
Therefore, for the purpose of this poll, I am "Pro-Choice", even though I am against abortion.
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I very much respect this point of view.
 
Painter said:
Morally I am against abortion, and therefore my answer would be "Pro-Life".

However, I am assuming that the poll is intended to reflect on how I want the law to work.
I am against imposing my moral belief on others.
Therefore, for the purpose of this poll, I am "Pro-Choice", even though I am against abortion.
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common sense at its finest
 
Navy Pride said:
When it come to pro life or pro abortion how do you stand?
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Logic suggests that pro-choice is better. Still, I fear like most political ideologies feminism stresses the intrinsic moral greatness of the position itself ahead of the weighty decision making that must be utilized to make good choices on the issue.
 
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Navy Pride said:
The problem is a baby in the womb can not make that decision.
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No human entity in its formative years is fully capable of making decisions. It's part of the human condition. That's why guardians make the decisions for them.
 
Before their is brain activity (about 10 weeks or so), I am hesitantly for abortion.

After there is brain activity, I am against it.
 
Navy Pride said:
The problem is a baby in the womb can not make that decision.
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The problem is that some people seem to think that a baby in the womb should be able to make that decision.
 
Morality Games said:
Logic suggests that pro-choice is better. Still, I fear like most political ideologies feminism stresses the intrinsic moral greatness of the position itself ahead of the weighty decision making that must be utilized to make good choices on the issue.
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There is no moral high ground here particularly...unless you consider that some would demand the govt have the power to take rights away from a woman to serve a fetus that might not even reach term anyway.

But do you think that the majority of women that choose abortion (and the majority of women in general do not choose abortion) make that decision casually? Or without understanding the gravity & implications of all their options?
 
Navy Pride said:
The problem is a baby in the womb can not make that decision.
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Considering your poll was based on this premise (and the article referring to the poll)...dont you have any response?

Lursa said:
Er...that was in an article from a Christian publication and here is a quote from that article:

"In the article, Michael New said: "a recent NBC/Wall Street Journal poll covered in the Washington Post and elsewhere suggested that 70 percent of Americans oppose overturning Roe v. Wade."


So....you wanna try again?
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Lursa said:
There is no moral high ground here particularly...unless you consider that some would demand the govt have the power to take rights away from a woman to serve a fetus that might not even reach term anyway.

But do you think that the majority of women that choose abortion (and the majority of women in general do not choose abortion) make that decision casually? Or without understanding the gravity & implications of all their options?
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It is my personal policy not to judge another person's motives unless they reveal those motives to me. But every study I have seen in the last ten years has been fairly consistent that roughly 75% of abortions are done because the woman does not want the baby for whatever reason whether that be for financial reasons or convenience or she just does not want the responsibility. Fewer than 1% are done in cases of rape or incest and a tiny percentage are due to pressures by the father.

So I don't judge those who have abortions even for convenience. That is between them and their God and/or conscience. But I grieve that we have become a culture who so often and so easily destroys human life and defends it with the dogma that it is not a human life they destroy.
 
AlbqOwl said:
It is my personal policy not to judge another person's motives unless they reveal those motives to me. But every study I have seen in the last ten years has been fairly consistent that roughly 75% of abortions are done because the woman does not want the baby for whatever reason whether that be for financial reasons or convenience or she just does not want the responsibility. Fewer than 1% are done in cases of rape or incest and a tiny percentage are due to pressures by the father.

So I don't judge those who have abortions even for convenience. That is between them and their God and/or conscience. But I grieve that we have become a culture who so often and so easily destroys human life and defends it with the dogma that it is not a human life they destroy.
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This was my response to another poster in another related thread. Please do not feel that it applies to you...it's just an explanation.

Lursa said:
Again you minimized IMPORTANT life choices for a woman as 'conveniences.' Do you tell your kids that their education is just an inconvenience and it doesnt really matter? College, job training, developing a career, developing the discipline to go into a job every day, all just inconveniences? Or are those the things that parents ENABLE and teach their kids so that they can go out and be successful in life?

How about raising the kids she already has? Are less money and time devoted to them just inconveniences for those kids? (60% of women getting abortions already have at least one child). And yes, maintaining a peaceful & secure home where the parents get along IS important to current and *future* children, so maintaining a stable domestic relationship is much more than an inconvenience.

You completely diminish women and their right to pursue happiness...to live their future and make the most of it.
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AlbqOwl said:
It is my personal policy not to judge another person's motives unless they reveal those motives to me. But every study I have seen in the last ten years has been fairly consistent that roughly 75% of abortions are done because the woman does not want the baby for whatever reason whether that be for financial reasons or convenience or she just does not want the responsibility. Fewer than 1% are done in cases of rape or incest and a tiny percentage are due to pressures by the father.

So I don't judge those who have abortions even for convenience. That is between them and their God and/or conscience. But I grieve that we have become a culture who so often and so easily destroys human life and defends it with the dogma that it is not a human life they destroy.
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translation: the studies list some reasons without motives and you ASSUME and MAKE up the rest

many have abortions because they feel obligated by there responsibilities and believe it is the MORAL thing to do

now im not saying they are right but im saying is your OPINION is certainly no better than theirs and your judgement is based on nothign but opinion.

also i havent come across one single person here or in real life who thinks ZEF isnt alive, not one
 
DA60 said:
Before their is brain activity (about 10 weeks or so), I am hesitantly for abortion.

After there is brain activity, I am against it.
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This is why I don't really know what to file myself as. I support a right to choose with strict conditions and only up to 8-12 weeks, so essentially the European abortion model. People around here seem to call me pro-life because of that, which doesn't quite make sense.

I don't see why anybody should have a right to stall and procrastinate for 20-30+ weeks when making such a decision. It needs to be made swiftly and early.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
This is why I don't really know what to file myself as. I support a right to choose with strict conditions and only up to 8-12 weeks, so essentially the European abortion model. People around here seem to call me pro-life because of that, which doesn't quite make sense.

I don't see why anybody should have a right to stall and procrastinate for 20-30+ weeks when making such a decision. It needs to be made swiftly and early.
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I agree with all that.

I find most people like to put labels on themselves and others...not sure why.

You are either pro-life or pro-choice to them.

To me, I am neither...I am just me.
 
I'd call myself pro-choice, anti-abortion.

It's one thing to dislike a practice, and quite another to believe that it should be illegal. It's a little like hate-speech in my mind; I dislike it, but I don't want to see it outlawed - pro-free speech, anti-hate speech.
 
Lursa said:
Thing is...pro-"choice" isn't absolute...that's why I support it.
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Reasonable counter.

Guess by "absolutes" i was referring to Allow or Don't Allow. That is absolute.
 
Here's something I feel compelled to point out. Have you ever seen someone say:

"Well personally I'm against rape but if others want to rape I don't want to enforce my moral principles upon them with some mean old law."

I'm guessing the answer is probably not. Rape is violent and harmful, it is an action with a victim, and it can inflict some lingering harm, especially psychologically. What you usually see that type of argument above about is in regards to victimless actions...



What's a victimless action? I am personally against smoking, I wouldn't let my kids smoke, would discourage family and friends from ****ing up their health, but there shouldn't be a law against it and I consider all these laws putting forth bans in open-air areas and even in private businesses to be tyrannical and stupid. Why? Victimless action. By smoking, you hurt yourself, and you know you're hurting yourself. I don't think it's the law's job to protect you from yourself.

The point of all this?

Abortion is not victimless. We all know that a human being is killed, violently, and we all know that is rather a permanent harm. Therefore, it makes no sense for anyone to employ that casual, "smoking" type argument above for an act we know to be aggressive and intentionally harmful against a human victim.
 
JayDubya said:
1.)Here's something I feel compelled to point out. Have you ever seen someone say:

"Well personally I'm against rape but if others want to rape I don't want to enforce my moral principles upon them with some mean old law."

I'm guessing the answer is probably not. Rape is violent and harmful, it is an action with a victim, and it can inflict some lingering harm, especially psychologically. What you usually see that type of argument above about is in regards to victimless actions...


2.)What's a victimless action? I am personally against smoking, I wouldn't let my kids smoke, would discourage family and friends from ****ing up their health, but there shouldn't be a law against it and I consider all these laws putting forth bans in open-air areas and even in private businesses to be tyrannical and stupid. Why? Victimless action. By smoking, you hurt yourself, and you know you're hurting yourself. I don't think it's the law's job to protect you from yourself.

The point of all this?

3.)Abortion is not victimless.

4.) We all know that a human being is killed, violently, and we all know that is rather a permanent harm.

5.)Therefore, it makes no sense for anyone to employ that casual, "smoking" type argument above for an act we know to be aggressive and intentionally harmful against a human victim.
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1.) of course not because like your other analogies that are completely absurd and based on mentally retard logic, rape is ILLEGAL, abortion is illegal

you analogy fails

2.) except when ti comes to abortion you want tyrannical laws and support them

3.) correct abortion or banning it always has a victim this is why pro-choice with limits is the way to be and your position is completely illogical and hypocritical the way you defend it. It proves you dont care about hte woman and want her viewed as a lesser.

4.) false please stop this misinformation

5.) no one did its a illogical strawman that you made up and it complete fails

Facts defeat your post again
 
Navy Pride said:
The comparison with all due respect is ridiculous....Some one that is Convicted of a capital crime should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law........A baby who is murdered in the womb has committed no crime.....Why can't you see the difference?
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In other words, you disagree with the Catholic Church. Does this make you a bad catholic navy? or just a Cafeteria one?
 
I am fully and 100% pro-choice up until about the 20th week of pregnancy.

After that I start leaning more and more pro-life as each week progresses.

I also believe people who are pro-life even in cases of rape and incest are truly disgusting, and need great quantities of professional help.
 
Dragonfly said:
I am fully and 100% pro-choice up until about the 20th week of pregnancy.

After that I start leaning more and more pro-life as each week progresses.

I also believe people who are pro-life even in cases of rape and incest are truly disgusting, and need great quantities of professional help.
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I do think that is esp. cruel, but I have never seen one that does support that be able to explain it, if they believe the fetus has the same right to life as the mother. So I find that confusing.
 
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