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    Re: Are you pro life or pro choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    I am pro life 100% but fully understand how abortion is sometimes necessary as well as being the moral and ethical choice. I would never vote for abortion to be outlawed. And because I don't know what is in the heart of or the situation of any woman, I will not presume to judge the choices others make. I agree that the poll options do not allow for the various shades of gray that exist within the issue.

    But yes, I want to return to a culture of life in which it is not almost automatic that the unwanted child will be killed.
    So you are pro choice and you choose no.

    I have similar (not exactly the same) feelings.

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    Re: Are you pro life or pro choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    I want to return to a culture of life in which it is not almost automatic that the unwanted child will be killed.
    Do you honestly think we live in some other type of society?

    Are you witnessing automatic killing of unwanted children?

    Or perhaps, is that a HUGE exageration of what's actually "real"?


    I'm guessing, but I'd say the VAST VAST VAST majority of people in the USofA don't "automatically kill an unwanted baby".

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    Re: Are you pro life or pro choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by GEIxBattleRifle View Post
    The law of supply and demand applies to all life forms on this planet. After all, we don't find mosquito life valuable because it's extremely common.

    Now our population numbers are well over 8 billion so there is no reason to think now that every human that implants in the womb must be carried full term for some reason.
    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    In my opinion, to not understand that the unborn baby, at any stage of his/her development, is a human life is to result in the attitude expressed by GEIxBattleRifle up there who seems to think eight billion people is sufficient and therefore life is expendable.
    If you read my post more carefully, I already acknowledge the unborn are humans. Your side hasn't convinced the rest of us why every time a human implants in the womb it's potential must be fulfilled.

    I truly wish that we were R-Strategists to begin with so everyone can see quickly how absurd the ''potential'' argument is that pro lifers commoningly use. Oh well wait until we find intelligent extraterrestrial life that uses that method and we will how the ''potential'' argument holds then.
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    Hanging your hat entirely on the CURRENT legality of something you want to be legal and others want to make illegal does not constitute a salient argument. At all.
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    What is "alive" and how does it apply to the fetus?

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    Re: Are you pro life or pro choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    So you are pro choice and you choose no.

    I have similar (not exactly the same) feelings.
    I am pro choice only that I think abortion cannot be realistically or ethically banned without allowing for certain necessary exceptions. But I support 100% those communities that adopt a culture of life and for ethical reasons restrict abortion to allow only those certain necessary exceptions. I oppose the federal government imposing a restriction on abortion or forbidding restriction on abortion because social ethics and/or engineering should never be the prerogative of the federal government other than to secure our rights that include life, liberty, etc.

    Roe v Wade, as SCOTUS intended it, was to make abortion legal without exception in the first trimester, to give the state authority to impose some restriction in the second trimester, and to impose a lot of restriction in the third trimester. While I oppose the SCOTUS making law and therefore oppose Roe v Wage on those grounds, I do think it a reasonable policy at the local level. And then I would like the culture to return to a time when aborting a healthy baby was not something 'good' people saw as the first option when an unwanted pregnancy happened. And that most doctors, in keeping with their Hippocratic oath, wouldn't do it.
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    Re: Are you pro life or pro choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    The definitions I provided prove that you can support certain exceptions and still be pro-life. The only one being absurd is you.
    nope facts are with me and not you and proving you wrong again

    you can try and cherry pick dfinition all you want and push your opinion as fact but it will continue to fail and so will your opinion of who is pro-choice/pro-life

    we've been through this many times before and each and every time facts destroyed your opinion
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    Re: Are you pro life or pro choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Yes, it is a contradiction, and I realize that. The reason that I can be pro-life personally, and pro-choice in my voting, is because I don't expect other people to live up to my own ethical standards, and because when a woman (other than myself) is pregnant, I had nothing to do with that pregnancy or her body. She is responsible for how she conducts herself, and not me. I am responsible for myself, and for those which I had a hand in creating. I think that a fetus is a person. If another woman does not have the instinct to imagine what the life she is carrying will become, then I actually feel pity for her and for that unborn baby, but that action which I consider the taking of a life, does not leave blood on my hands. In the abortion issue, and when it comes to individual rights, a choice must be made between the mother and the baby, as to who has preference. The mother is already here- she is the one who made the choices leading to that pregnancy, thus she is the one responsible for the course of action in dealing with her own situation.
    The thing is, the child is also already here too. And if the mother is in jeopardy of losing her life or being seriously and permanently injured as a result of the pregnancy then I think it is a legitimate case of self-defense. Otherwise it's not an either/or proposition in the first place. Both can survive.

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    Re: Are you pro life or pro choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Muhammed View Post
    The thing is, the child is also already here too. And if the mother is in jeopardy of losing her life or being seriously and permanently injured as a result of the pregnancy then I think it is a legitimate case of self-defense. Otherwise it's not an either/or proposition in the first place. Both can survive.
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    Re: Are you pro life or pro choice?

    I didn't vote. IMO the issue isn't black and white and under different circumstances I am both. Do I believe in abortion for specific circumstances, yes. Do I believe in abortion as a form of common contreception, no. You'll find me somewhere between these limits.

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