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    Re: Are you pro life or pro choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Fantasy fetuses?Is this a new term invented by abortionists to dehumanize abortion victims?
    It's one created to indicate that you have no idea what or where these fetuses are or even if they exist. You choose to *imagine* them and invest emotion in them...your choice of course. As a I said, a self-righteous and easy one since they do not affect you in any way.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Are you pro life or pro choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    It is not a person. It's human, not a person. A corpse is human, it's not a person. DNA has nothing to do with personhood.

    Our legal system recognizes someone as a person when they are BORN. When do you think a fetus should be considered a person who we recognize to have the same rights as born individuals?
    To me there is no difference between the fetus and the newborn baby other than its age. Both are totally dependent on another human for life. And neither can exist without living through the formative stage in which they exist at any given time. Surely you understand the difference between a living being, full of potential, and a corpse? And, in my opinion, to not understand that the unborn baby, at any stage of his/her development, is a human life is to result in the attitude expressed by GEIxBattleRifle up there who seems to think eight billion people is sufficient and therefore life is expendable.

    Such leads to forced abortion, forced sterilization, restricting couples to one child, etc. as we see in China today, or other cultures who see human life as expendable for the common good. Next we could be putting the aged out to die as the Native Americans once did, or destroying the 'lesser humans' as Hitler once did and to some extent slave-owning America once did, or committing general genocide of certain people as the Romans once did.

    I want America to be better than that and to be a culture of life, not expediency.
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    Re: Are you pro life or pro choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    To me there is no difference between the fetus and the newborn baby other than its age. Both are totally dependent on another human for life. And neither can exist without living through the formative stage in which they exist at any given time. Surely you understand the difference between a living being, full of potential, and a corpse? And, in my opinion, to not understand that the unborn baby, at any stage of his/her development, is a human life is to result in the attitude expressed by GEIxBattleRifle up there who seems to think eight billion people is sufficient and therefore life is expendable.

    Such leads to forced abortion, forced sterilization, restricting couples to one child, etc. as we see in China today, or other cultures who see human life as expendable for the common good. Next we could be putting the aged out to die as the Native Americans once did, or destroying the 'lesser humans' as Hitler once did and to some extent slave-owning America once did, or committing general genocide of certain people as the Romans once did.

    I want America to be better than that and to be a culture of life, not expediency.
    That's fine to have that opinion.

    And for every woman to have the right to her opinion and to back it up with choice....whichever way she decides.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Are you pro life or pro choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    The clinic you mentioned however does not perform legal abortions after 24 weeks gestation.
    Well, that answers that. Yeah they have been in business for quite some time now. Don't remember the name of it, I'll find out for you and PM it. Don't want to feed the trolls here.

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    Re: Are you pro life or pro choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    I think that is a reasonable stance on the issue, and as you said, it is very rare, and also, if a fetus is to the age of viability, there's likely a reasonable chance that it can also be delivered via C-section. Instances of a true emergent situation, where there must be a choice made between the mother and the baby, are rare.
    Ectopic pregnancy is one such instance.

    Between 1.5 and 2 percent of pregnancies are ectopic and they happen early in the pregnancy.

    About 8 percent of pregnancies are a variant of eclampsia , pre eclampsia or HELLP syndrome. If the fetus is viable when/ if the pregnancy becomes life threatening than a c section can be preformed. If the fetus is not viable than delivering the fetus to save the woman would be an abortion since the fetus would have no chance of survial.
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    Re: Are you pro life or pro choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    This is just another common irrationality found in pro-lifers....and just written out by 2 people in the last 2 pages: that a fetus could "make a choice."
    When you were younger you were also in the fetal stage of your lifespan. Are you incapable of making a choice?

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    Re: Are you pro life or pro choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Muhammed View Post
    When you were younger you were also in the fetal stage of your lifespan. Are you incapable of making a choice?
    Well in the fetal stage I was incapable, according to our medical knowlege. I of course have no idea.

    Now I can...I am born and make decisions all the time.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Are you pro life or pro choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Well in the fetal stage I was incapable, according to our medical knowlege. I of course have no idea.

    Now I can...I am born and make decisions all the time.
    I suppose the way I look at it...should we presume to know what decision a fetus would make, if it could? I mean, we already ARE assuming that...wherever your opinion falls on the topic.
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    Re: Are you pro life or pro choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Its legal murder my friend.
    Oxymoron.

    Something cannot be "legal murder" since the very definition of murder is unlawful killing.

    It could be considered "unjustifiable killing", but not murder.
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    Re: Are you pro life or pro choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Well in the fetal stage I was incapable, according to our medical knowlege. I of course have no idea.

    Now I can...I am born and make decisions all the time.
    Nobody can make decisions instantly. According to the laws of physics that is impossible. It takes time.

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