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    Re: Are you pro life or pro choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by breeves85 View Post
    Wrong. Pro choice is pro abortion. Because you are essentially saying that aborting an unborn fetus is a moral decision best left to the mother. While also viewing a mother that kills her infant as a cold blooded murderer.

    The pro life see the two issues as one in the same. So you're essentially saying let the mother choose whether or not she wants to kill her baby in cold blood.
    Absolutely wrong. What pro-choice is...is exactly what it says "Pro-Choice". This does not preclude someone from personally being against abortion, but believing that it is an individual choice that should not be left to big brother government to make.
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    Re: Are you pro life or pro choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    I wonder if he'll come back with "it's a 'BABY', you only call it a fetus to deny it's a baby!" and not realize the hypocrisy after telling *us* that pro-choice really means pro-abortion.

    Pretty sure he wont get the irony.
    name games are often played when theres no logical path for one to take, i pointed this out earlier in the thread.

    names:
    pro-life, anti-choice, pro-choice, anti-life etc etc
    baby, zef, fetus, zygote, kid,child, baby, human, etc etc

    none of the impact the fact of what about is about

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    Re: Are you pro life or pro choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    I wonder if he'll come back with "it's a 'BABY', you only call it a fetus to deny it's a baby!" and not realize the hypocrisy after telling *us* that pro-choice really means pro-abortion.

    Pretty sure he wont get the irony.
    Lolz

    You'll have to explain how saying pro choice is the same as pro abortion is hypocritical. I'm a little slow sometimes.

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    Re: Are you pro life or pro choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    I'm not a man of many words.

    I read your quotes and I didn't want to be rude, but they weren't any good. For example.... what was it, 11 billion dollars was the annual cost figure they gave for teen pregnancies which, if they were talking about healthcare costs, would be one thing.... but in that they include "incarceration??" That's willfully bending the facts to prove a point. That's borderline dishonest to bend the figures that way.

    The bottom line to me is that I want to live in a culture that respects life, and that means you don't throw it away. I could see making an exception for rape or incest or if she's grossly underage or other extreme circumstances, but the fact that you can just walk in to a planned parenthood down the street and get an abortion without any sense of responsibility is not something I agree with. I don't like what it does to us as a culture. There are plenty of good birth control options out there to where responsible couples don't need to be having unplanned pregnancies.
    They were completely valid quotes and 100% on target. Denial? Really? Well no problem, everyone else can read them too.

    And I also want to live in a world where people respect life...women's lives....women LIVING and breathing and participating in society and deserving of respect you choose to deny them (just by minimizing the risks of pregnancy and childbirth and their futures). Women with rights.

    More ignorance: no birth control is 100% unless it's surgical. So married couples shouldnt have sex after they cant afford more kids? Or in between? Or couples that dont want kids at all? Or people that wish to enjoy sex? Otherwise...the women must jeopardize their lives and futures....TOTAL disrespect.

    Yeah...it's just IMO but I believe women's lives are indeed more worth of respect than fetuses.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Are you pro life or pro choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by breeves85 View Post
    Lolz
    I'm a little slow sometimes.
    Yes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Are you pro life or pro choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Yes.

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    Yes. So how am I a hypocrite ?

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    Re: Are you pro life or pro choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Absolutely wrong. What pro-choice is...is exactly what it says "Pro-Choice". This does not preclude someone from personally being against abortion, but believing that it is an individual choice that should not be left to big brother government to make.
    With this logic, I could say I'm against bank robberies, but support an individuals right to conduct them.

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    Re: Are you pro life or pro choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by breeves85 View Post
    With this logic, I could say I'm against bank robberies, but support an individuals right to conduct them.
    nope not the same at all
    bank robberies are factually against the law and they factual violate rights in one direction
    and there is no right to conduct them

    so your example complete fails and is illogical
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    Re: Are you pro life or pro choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    nope not the same at all
    bank robberies are factually against the law and they factual violate rights in one direction
    and there is no right to conduct them

    so your example complete fails and is illogical
    What would you label me if I voted to pass a bill intended to allow bank robberies, but claimed I miself was against them???

    Probably call me pro-bank robbery.

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    Re: Are you pro life or pro choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Life is a gift. How many couples are out there that would love nothing more than to have a child but are unable? Therefore, it's a gift. That's my main problem with abortion. It's not that it's murder - I don't believe that it is. It's that you're throwing something precious away.
    Interesting, but you didnt address this, and the fact that you believe your personal value judgement should apply to everyone (implied...I realize you said you wouldnt force it on women)

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    This is the heart of the matter in many ways. So then why is it hard to recognize that what is a gift to one person can be a life-altering disaster for someone else?

    Because obviously, some women absolutely do not view it as a gift.

    So if you recognize that considering something a 'gift' can have an opposite side of the coin, then to me it's hypocritical and even morally wrong to demand women not have the option of abortion. (Which you said you do not, so this is to the generic 'them')
    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Wow.

    You completely ignored everything I wrote. The ONLY value in ANY gift is what it means to the person receiving it. If they dont want it....it's not a gift and has no value. What someone else considers a gift might even be offensive or harmful. Like giving a 5 yr old a gun for a birthday gift.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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