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    Re: Are you pro life or pro choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Having a child will not ruin anyone's potential.
    Changes their options though.
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    Re: Are you pro life or pro choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Having a child will not ruin anyone's potential.
    yes it could since you dont get to decide what that is, thats something subjective and you nor i can decide it for someone else
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    Re: Are you pro life or pro choice?

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    Changes their options though.
    The color of my shoes changes my options. What's the big deal? You play with the toys the gods give you.

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    Re: Are you pro life or pro choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    If this is your reasoning, I would argue that ingesting illegal drugs should not be illegal. Or is it that way already? I know little to nothing about drug laws.
    Ingesting illegal drugs should not be illegal, owning drugs and being in possession of drugs should be the things that are illegal (as is trading in, supplying, smuggling etc.) but you should not arrest someone for the ingesting but owning of such drug.

    It is the trade in drugs and owning of drugs you want to make impossible and prosecutable and the ingestion of said drug will also go down or will be made a lot harder.
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    Re: Are you pro life or pro choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    yes it could since you dont get to decide what that is, thats something subjective and you nor i can decide it for someone else
    I have no idea what you're referencing with the underlined pronoun.

    Seriously, the only thing I understand from what you've written is that, in general, you don't agree with what I wrote.

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    Re: Are you pro life or pro choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    1.)Life is a gift.
    2.)How many couples are out there that would love nothing more than to have a child but are unable?
    3.) Therefore, it's a gift.
    4.) That's my main problem with abortion.
    5.) It's not that it's murder - I don't believe that it is. It's that you're throwing something precious away.
    1.) i agree in general, dont change the abortion debate
    2.) meaningless to abortion
    3.) no just an opinion
    4.) if something going against your opinion is a problem for you the world is going g to be a very bad place
    5.) beliefs dont matter here, in the us it factually not murder but its good that opinion matches up here
    6.) more opinion

    or its somebody making the a moral decision

    your opinion is no better than theirs or mine and thats why their choice isnt up to you or me, its up to them
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    Re: Are you pro life or pro choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    1.)I have no idea what you're referencing with the underlined pronoun.
    2.)Seriously, the only thing I understand from what you've written is that, in general, you don't agree with what I wrote.
    1.) potential
    2.) then you dont understand anything
    i wasnt talking about me agreeing or disagreeing
    i was pointing out the fact that your statement was false since you stated it as an absolute
    its only your opinion, which like mine, is meaningless to the person who has the choice to make.
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    Re: Are you pro life or pro choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    1.) i agree in general, dont change the abortion debate
    2.) meaningless to abortion
    3.) no just an opinion
    4.) if something going against your opinion is a problem for you the world is going g to be a very bad place
    5.) beliefs dont matter here, in the us it factually not murder but its good that opinion matches up here
    6.) more opinion

    or its somebody making the a moral decision

    your opinion is no better than theirs or mine and thats why their choice isnt up to you or me, its up to them

    I don't think abortion is murder. But it's like I said to Peter King.... we're not libertarians. You're telling me that my opinion or my belief don't matter... but they do - if they coincide with the opinions and beliefs of millions of other Americans (which happens to be the case).

    We don't live in a country where you are responsible for you and I am responsible for me. We live in a society where we get in each other's business, and that's the reality of modern government like it or not.

    You can't sell your kidneys on ebay.... government won't let you. Doesn't matter if it's not my right to tell you not to sell your kidneys for money, enough people think it's gross and wrong and therefore it's illegal.

    You can't go and get your leg chopped off by a doctor. Same reason.

    You can't go and get your life ended if you're depressed.... same reason.

    The bottom line is: the government legislates morality all the time. There is a ton of precedent for it and I could go on and on. So if American Society, as a whole, thinks abortion is immoral, then we have every right in the world to make it illegal if we feel that benefits society as a whole.

    Unless you're a staunch libertarian, that's how it is.

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    Re: Are you pro life or pro choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    I think to terminate a pregnancy minimizes that a lot more. You're taking the gift of life and saying "no thanks." That can't be right.
    The problem is that making abortion illegal won't prevent abortions, it'll simply drive the practice back underground. Abortion was made legal to prevent the heartbreaking calamities that used to happen to desperate girls in back-alley 'clinics'. There were no rules about the term of pregnancy, no standards of practice or even cleanliness, no follow-up, no recourse, no hope.
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    Re: Are you pro life or pro choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    1.) potential
    2.) then you dont understand anything
    i wasnt talking about me agreeing or disagreeing
    i was pointing out the fact that your statement was false since you stated it as an absolute
    its only your opinion, which like mine, is meaningless to the person who has the choice to make.
    It's alright, I wasn't trying to be rude I just didn't get what you were trying to say. I hope I got you in my other answer.

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