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    Re: Are you pro life or pro choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    My argument is not a legal one. My argument is a moral and ethical one. And it is made to those who know that what is legal is not necessarily moral or ethical.
    Piss poor dodge. Those who have made the crucial decisions are quite moral people- and you have ZERO proof they lack it. fact is moral and ethical arguments are no more 'correct' than a legal one as what is moral and ethical is quite variable. The Old Testament had ZERO problem with abortion.

    One could argue moral and ethical is quite subjective.

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    Re: Are you pro life or pro choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Pro-life personally, but I vote pro-choice.
    That would echo where I stand.

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    Re: Are you pro life or pro choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    And you're views are fascist like Hitler. Wanna murder some people doing pot too? We know you support murdering doctors performing LEGAL abortions.
    The person who supports infanticide is trying to call me a fascist, thats rich.
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    Re: Are you pro life or pro choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    The problem is a baby in the womb can not make that decision.
    I respect your view and your right to petition for the law to be changed.

    Since I don't think it ever will be, I think your side would do better to make sure programs for young mothers are fully funded, and line up in front of adoption centers instead of abortion clinics.

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    Re: Are you pro life or pro choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Its legal murder my friend.
    By that standard, killing cows and chickens is legal murder as well despite it being legal.
    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    Hanging your hat entirely on the CURRENT legality of something you want to be legal and others want to make illegal does not constitute a salient argument. At all.
    Quote Originally Posted by prometeus View Post
    What is "alive" and how does it apply to the fetus?

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    Re: Are you pro life or pro choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Yeah, see, your colloquialism and "Internet" knowlege are very convenient. Slang...catchy and inflammatory?
    The only people who find the term abortionist to be offensive are abortionists such as yourself who are ashamed of supporting something so vile and inhumane as abortion. Its like illegal aliens and their supporters trying to use the term undocumented immigrant to hide the illegality of what they are doing.You abortionists use the term prochoice to hide the fact you support legalized abortion. If you are not ashamed about supporting legalized on demand abortion then you should have no problem being called an abortionist or pro-abortion instead of hiding being the term prochoice.

    Here are the real, traditional sources with definitions for that word and not one includes 'a person who advocates for abortion.'

    The dictionaries I use are also traditional.

    From one of your sources

    Abortionist - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary
    2 ENTRIES FOUND:

    abortionist
    proabortion
    Abortionist - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary
    Definition of PROABORTION
    : favoring the legalization of abortion
    — pro–abor·tion·ist noun
    First Known Use of PROABORTION
    1972
    Rhymes with PROABORTION
    disproportion, in proportion, reapportion
    pro·abor·tion
    adjective \(ˈ)prō-ə-ˈbȯr-shən\ (Medical Dictionary)
    Medical Definition of PROABORTION
    : favoring the legalization of abortion
    Last edited by jamesrage; 01-23-14 at 03:27 PM.
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    Re: Are you pro life or pro choice?

    My wife and I have lived our lives "Pro-life," and we have 3 wonderful sons. I am, without a doubt, pro-life.

    But it's not my place to force my positions upon others. It's none of my business.

    We all have to answer for our deeds and actions. But nobody has to answer to me.

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    Re: Are you pro life or pro choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    if this is true only those that want abortion banned with no exceptions is pro-life then
    There is this part " especially abortion-on-demand, illegal; antiabortion: right-to-life advocates." So you can support certain exceptions like if carrying a baby to 50% viability will cause the mother's death.

    Right to life | Define Right to life at Dictionary.com

    adjective
    pertaining to or advocating laws making abortion, especially abortion-on-demand, illegal; antiabortion

    Abortion on demand | Define Abortion on demand at Dictionary.com

    noun
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    the right of a woman to have an abortion during the first six months of a pregnancy.
    2.
    an abortion performed on a woman solely at her own request.
    Last edited by jamesrage; 01-23-14 at 03:32 PM.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

    Cicero Marcus Tullius

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    Re: Are you pro life or pro choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    When it come to pro life or pro abortion how do you stand?



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    Re: Are you pro life or pro choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    When it come to pro life or pro abortion how do you stand?
    Well first off, your title is more accurate than your post. We should label each group as they label themselves, because both labels best represent their view point and thought process on the issue. Pro-life and pro-choice.

    Personally, I consider myself neither. Some, like Jamesrage (whose definition means anyone supporting legal abortion in the case of rape, incest, or life of the mother would be "pro-choice) would likely consider me Pro-choice. However, I'm far more apt to vote for a pro-life candidate than I am a pro-choice candidate, though I'm not inclined to vote for EITHER candidate if they make that a primary point of their campaign.

    My personal view is that this is an issue that is not feasible to truly answer, as there is no magical light bulb that appears over a womans belly that goes "DING! I should be considered a human with full vested rights".

    As such, my PERSONAL view...which I acknowledge would almost never happen because both sides are far too entrenched in their very specific view points and I recognize that the world view of each side would view parts of my suggestion with unquestioned disdained...would be as follows:

    First Trimester - Benefit of the doubt is bestowed upon the woman as opposed to the fetus. Abortion is legal in all circumstances during this trimester.

    Second Trimester - Benefit of the doubt leans heavier towards the fetus. Abortion is legal only in the case of a reported case of Rape or Incest, or the mother's life being in danger.

    Third Trimester - Benefit of the doubt leands entirely towards the fetus. Abortion is legal only in the case of the mother's life being in danger OR if there is reasonable evidence that a minor's rape/incest was hidden until this point (IE, if a father impregnated a daughter, and social services did not discover this fact until the third trimester).

    If the woman doesn't know in the first trimester, then that's on them. There's is almost no situation where a woman will have sex and not be aware of it, outside of rape, so the notion that "They may not know" before the end of the first trimester holds no sway with me.

    My views from the second trimester forward follows in line with much of what it seems the majority of Pro-Life (Or I guess in Jamesrage's view, Pro-Choicer's who aren't as extreme?) individuals want. Where I differ from them is a willingness to allow for it to occur within the first trimester, because I do not believe this to be a clear cut situation nor do I think it can be equated directly to "baby murder" given the distint difference of the physical nature of the situation.

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