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Are you pro life or pro choice?

Are you pro life or pro choice?


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And the baby in the womb has that same right. While are you afraid to call it a baby?
Because they do not agree with your belief that it actually is a baby.
 
1.)I don't believe you're following the argument I'm making, therefore I'm spinning my wheels debating with you.
2.)Respectfully, I'm gonna end our debate because it's one thing if you understand what I'm saying and simply disagree, it's another if I'm not even able to communicate my point of view to you so that you can refute it or agree with it.

1.) yes you are spinning your wheels disagreeing with fact, this is bond to happen
2.) this was done, facts won and disagreed with you.
 
On my feet. While being pro-choice.

Pro-abortion? You're being silly, dude.

It's funny how none of the pro choice supporters on here answered the OP question of being pro abortion. (Which is the same thing as pro choice) which goes to show the left has to label it differently to pass it off as something good and noteworthy. Some even corrected the OP and made fun of him.

My question to the abortion supporters...if you're so for it why does it matter what terminology you use to describe it? If you think abortion is soo awesome why do you refuse to use the term "pro abortion"?
 
Alright say I grant you that it will screw up her whole year of school because of medical/mental/whatever issues. Just do the grade over again next year and be a year behind. It won't kill her to graduate one year older.

And you took offense that I called you uninformed? Did you not even read the quotes???? The long term issues? Obviously you didnt read the article.

And what you describe affects her chances to get into college as well.

Not to mention those same physical and mental influences on a woman in the workplace and how it can set her back in a career or even get her fired.

Again....you make absolutely no attempt to look further than a concrete sentence and consider future consequences. IMO that is just a willful disregard of women...you cant be bothered to consider the actual consequences....because you dont give ****.

Edit: and still completely dismiss the risk of death or lifelong health consequences.
 
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Is that so? Hm. Not the poll I'm looking at. 14 to 6, for choice, at the moment.

Anyway, I am pro-choice, not "pro-abortion." The only people who are pro-abortion are VHMET'ers.

Seriously? Explain how being pro choice isn't the same as pro abortion?
 
It's funny how none of the pro choice supporters on here answered the OP question of being pro abortion. (Which is the same thing as pro choice) which goes to show the left has to label it differently to pass it off as something good and noteworthy. Some even corrected the OP and made fun of him.

My question to the abortion supporters...if you're so for it why does it matter what terminology you use to describe it? If you think abortion is soo awesome why do you refuse to use the term "pro abortion"?

Because I'm not pro-abortion. I dont think abortion is 'good.' I think it can be the better of 2 tough, unwanted options. I think it can be necessary and be beneficial for a woman depending on her circumstances...and only SHE is in the position to know that. Hence...it's her CHOICE.
 
Pro-choice is not "pro-abortion". In fact, many people who are pro-choice are personally anti-abortion. We, however, don't want the government making the choices. We are in favor of personally choice and responsibility....not a police state in which the big brother government makes the most intimate of life's choices for us.

Wrong. Pro choice is pro abortion. Because you are essentially saying that aborting an unborn fetus is a moral decision best left to the mother. While also viewing a mother that kills her infant as a cold blooded murderer.

The pro life see the two issues as one in the same. So you're essentially saying let the mother choose whether or not she wants to kill her baby in cold blood.
 
Because I'm not pro-abortion. I dont think abortion is 'good.' I think it can be the better of 2 tough, unwanted options. I think it can be necessary and be beneficial for a woman depending on her circumstances...and only SHE is in the position to know that. Hence...it's her CHOICE.

You are saying it's ok for a mother to kill a baby. That's the same as saying you're pro abortion.
 
Seriously? Explain how being pro choice isn't the same as pro abortion?

well titles are meaningless and they change nothing really but to answer your question as you presented it is very easy

the super vast majority of people who are pro-choice wish abortion didnt have to happen hope they become lower and less needed, the are pro CHOICE

not pro abortion which would suggest they want abortions all the time and support the numbers growing and them being used all the time

pretty simple really

but again, these titles are meaningless as it doesn't matter what one tries to call me, it only matters how i identify myself.

Im pro-choice with limits :shrug:
if one values and believes in equal, human and legal rights its the only way to be . . . if one values all that
 
Wrong. Pro choice is pro abortion. Because you are essentially saying that aborting an unborn fetus is a moral decision best left to the mother. While also viewing a mother that kills her infant as a cold blooded murderer.

The pro life see the two issues as one in the same. So you're essentially saying let the mother choose whether or not she wants to kill her baby in cold blood.

:lol:
 
You are saying it's ok for a mother to kill a baby. That's the same as saying you're pro abortion.

No. It's 2 separate things.

I AM saying it's ok to kill a fetus if the mother decides that is the best option for her. I'm not saying I like it, I'm saying I see the necessity and respect her decision.

It's not ok to kill babies.
 
No. It's 2 separate things.

I AM saying it's ok to kill a fetus if the mother decides that is the best option for her. I'm not saying I like it, I'm saying I see the necessity and respect her decision.

It's not ok to kill babies.

That's the same thing as saying you're pro abortion.
 
And you took offense that I called you uninformed? Did you not even read the quotes???? The long term issues? Obviously you didnt read the article.

And what you describe affects her chances to get into college as well.

Not to mention those same physical and mental influences on a woman in the workplace and how it can set her back in a career or even get her fired.

Again....you make absolutely no attempt to look further than a concrete sentence and consider future consequences. IMO that is just a willful disregard of women...you cant be bothered to consider the actual consequences....because you dont give ****.

I'm not a man of many words.

I read your quotes and I didn't want to be rude, but they weren't any good. For example.... what was it, 11 billion dollars was the annual cost figure they gave for teen pregnancies which, if they were talking about healthcare costs, would be one thing.... but in that they include "incarceration??" That's willfully bending the facts to prove a point. That's borderline dishonest to bend the figures that way.

The bottom line to me is that I want to live in a culture that respects life, and that means you don't throw it away. I could see making an exception for rape or incest or if she's grossly underage or other extreme circumstances, but the fact that you can just walk in to a planned parenthood down the street and get an abortion without any sense of responsibility is not something I agree with. I don't like what it does to us as a culture. There are plenty of good birth control options out there to where responsible couples don't need to be having unplanned pregnancies.
 
I'm not a man of many words.

I read your quotes and I didn't want to be rude, but they weren't any good. For example.... what was it, 11 billion dollars was the annual cost figure they gave for teen pregnancies which, if they were talking about healthcare costs, would be one thing.... but in that they include "incarceration??" That's willfully bending the facts to prove a point. That's borderline dishonest to bend the figures that way.

The bottom line to me is that I want to live in a culture that respects life, and that means you don't throw it away. I could see making an exception for rape or incest or if she's grossly underage or other extreme circumstances, but the fact that you can just walk in to a planned parenthood down the street and get an abortion without any sense of responsibility is not something I agree with. I don't like what it does to us as a culture. There are plenty of good birth control options out there to where responsible couples don't need to be having unplanned pregnancies.

And the fact that they can be tax payer funded :(
 
well titles are meaningless and they change nothing really but to answer your question as you presented it is very easy

the super vast majority of people who are pro-choice wish abortion didnt have to happen hope they become lower and less needed, the are pro CHOICE

not pro abortion which would suggest they want abortions all the time and support the numbers growing and them being used all the time

pretty simple really

but again, these titles are meaningless as it doesn't matter what one tries to call me, it only matters how i identify myself.

Im pro-choice with limits :shrug:
if one values and believes in equal, human and legal rights its the only way to be . . . if one values all that

I wonder if he'll come back with "it's a 'BABY', you only call it a fetus to deny it's a baby!" and not realize the hypocrisy after telling *us* that pro-choice really means pro-abortion.

Pretty sure he wont get the irony.
 
Wrong. Pro choice is pro abortion. Because you are essentially saying that aborting an unborn fetus is a moral decision best left to the mother. While also viewing a mother that kills her infant as a cold blooded murderer.

The pro life see the two issues as one in the same. So you're essentially saying let the mother choose whether or not she wants to kill her baby in cold blood.
Absolutely wrong. What pro-choice is...is exactly what it says "Pro-Choice". This does not preclude someone from personally being against abortion, but believing that it is an individual choice that should not be left to big brother government to make.
 
I wonder if he'll come back with "it's a 'BABY', you only call it a fetus to deny it's a baby!" and not realize the hypocrisy after telling *us* that pro-choice really means pro-abortion.

Pretty sure he wont get the irony.

name games are often played when theres no logical path for one to take, i pointed this out earlier in the thread.

names:
pro-life, anti-choice, pro-choice, anti-life etc etc
baby, zef, fetus, zygote, kid,child, baby, human, etc etc

none of the impact the fact of what about is about

TWO lives, not one but TWO :shrug:
 
I wonder if he'll come back with "it's a 'BABY', you only call it a fetus to deny it's a baby!" and not realize the hypocrisy after telling *us* that pro-choice really means pro-abortion.

Pretty sure he wont get the irony.

Lolz

You'll have to explain how saying pro choice is the same as pro abortion is hypocritical. I'm a little slow sometimes.
 
I'm not a man of many words.

I read your quotes and I didn't want to be rude, but they weren't any good. For example.... what was it, 11 billion dollars was the annual cost figure they gave for teen pregnancies which, if they were talking about healthcare costs, would be one thing.... but in that they include "incarceration??" That's willfully bending the facts to prove a point. That's borderline dishonest to bend the figures that way.

The bottom line to me is that I want to live in a culture that respects life, and that means you don't throw it away. I could see making an exception for rape or incest or if she's grossly underage or other extreme circumstances, but the fact that you can just walk in to a planned parenthood down the street and get an abortion without any sense of responsibility is not something I agree with. I don't like what it does to us as a culture. There are plenty of good birth control options out there to where responsible couples don't need to be having unplanned pregnancies.

They were completely valid quotes and 100% on target. Denial? Really? Well no problem, everyone else can read them too.

And I also want to live in a world where people respect life...women's lives....women LIVING and breathing and participating in society and deserving of respect you choose to deny them (just by minimizing the risks of pregnancy and childbirth and their futures). Women with rights.

More ignorance: no birth control is 100% unless it's surgical. So married couples shouldnt have sex after they cant afford more kids? Or in between? Or couples that dont want kids at all? Or people that wish to enjoy sex? Otherwise...the women must jeopardize their lives and futures....TOTAL disrespect.

Yeah...it's just IMO but I believe women's lives are indeed more worth of respect than fetuses.
 
Absolutely wrong. What pro-choice is...is exactly what it says "Pro-Choice". This does not preclude someone from personally being against abortion, but believing that it is an individual choice that should not be left to big brother government to make.

With this logic, I could say I'm against bank robberies, but support an individuals right to conduct them.
 
With this logic, I could say I'm against bank robberies, but support an individuals right to conduct them.

nope not the same at all
bank robberies are factually against the law and they factual violate rights in one direction
and there is no right to conduct them

so your example complete fails and is illogical
 
nope not the same at all
bank robberies are factually against the law and they factual violate rights in one direction
and there is no right to conduct them

so your example complete fails and is illogical

What would you label me if I voted to pass a bill intended to allow bank robberies, but claimed I miself was against them???

Probably call me pro-bank robbery.
 
Life is a gift. How many couples are out there that would love nothing more than to have a child but are unable? Therefore, it's a gift. That's my main problem with abortion. It's not that it's murder - I don't believe that it is. It's that you're throwing something precious away.

Interesting, but you didnt address this, and the fact that you believe your personal value judgement should apply to everyone (implied...I realize you said you wouldnt force it on women)

This is the heart of the matter in many ways. So then why is it hard to recognize that what is a gift to one person can be a life-altering disaster for someone else?

Because obviously, some women absolutely do not view it as a gift.

So if you recognize that considering something a 'gift' can have an opposite side of the coin, then to me it's hypocritical and even morally wrong to demand women not have the option of abortion. (Which you said you do not, so this is to the generic 'them')

Wow.

You completely ignored everything I wrote. The ONLY value in ANY gift is what it means to the person receiving it. If they dont want it....it's not a gift and has no value. What someone else considers a gift might even be offensive or harmful. Like giving a 5 yr old a gun for a birthday gift.
 
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