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    Do you believe brain death is death?

    A patient on a mechanical ventilator has a beating heart, but has been proclaimed "brain death" according to accepted US standards.

    Do you accept the patient as dead?

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    Re: Do you believe brain death is death?

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    A patient on a mechanical ventilator has a beating heart, but has been proclaimed "brain death" according to accepted US standards.

    Do you accept the patient as dead?
    When it comes to science so well proven, it doesn't matter what I "believe" and what anyone "believes" should have no bearing on the situation. It's a scientifically sound medical perspective.
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    Re: Do you believe brain death is death?

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    When it comes to science so well proven, it doesn't matter what I "believe" and what anyone "believes" should have no bearing on the situation. It's a scientifically sound medical perspective.
    I agree.

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    Re: Do you believe brain death is death?

    If you can't breath or keep your heart beating without mechanical assistance and there is no chance that situation will be rectified then you're dead.

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    Re: Do you believe brain death is death?

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    A patient on a mechanical ventilator has a beating heart, but has been proclaimed "brain death" according to accepted US standards.

    Do you accept the patient as dead?
    Dead as a door nail

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    Re: Do you believe brain death is death?

    It's easier to realize the artificiality of the apparent "life" once you understand that it is much different from a coma and secondly, after a relatively short period of time, their organs will begin to deteriorate and fail due to their condition.

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    Re: Do you believe brain death is death?

    Does not matter what I believe.

    Just in the way it doesnt matter if a diagnosed HIV patient believes he doesnt have HIV.

    Or when someone with cholera believes he hasnt got cholera.

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    Re: Do you believe brain death is death?

    Quote Originally Posted by The German View Post
    Does not matter what I believe.

    Just in the way it doesnt matter if a diagnosed HIV patient believes he doesnt have HIV.

    Or when someone with cholera believes he hasnt got cholera.
    Are there other examples?

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    Re: Do you believe brain death is death?

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    A patient on a mechanical ventilator has a beating heart, but has been proclaimed "brain death" according to accepted US standards.

    Do you accept the patient as dead?
    Usually the brain dead never come back. I am told that ansthetized patients can probably suffer regional trauma with long term consequences. This can be prevented with local anesthesia. This indicates that the brain is not the only part of the body that feels pain.
    So if you donate organs, make sure you get local anesthetics.

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    Re: Do you believe brain death is death?

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    Usually the brain dead never come back. I am told that ansthetized patients can probably suffer regional trauma with long term consequences. This can be prevented with local anesthesia. This indicates that the brain is not the only part of the body that feels pain.
    So if you donate organs, make sure you get local anesthetics.
    They don't give anesthetics.

    On another thread I gave links to "brain dead" people not being dead at all. Harvesting organs is big, big money business. It also is expensive to keep someone not paying on life support. So pulling the plug ends the expensive and the allows extremely lucrative transplant surgeries - a win-win money win by pulling the plug.

    For one of those, where THREE doctors had certified the man as brain dead, he heard them telling his mother that he is "brain dead" and asking her permission to plug the plug and cut off the ventilator and all nutrients. And he heard the doctors away from her talking about how to best remove his organs for transplant. He had no way to communicate that he was not dead and to not cut him up. His mother refused. He revived and fully recovered.

    We know someone whose father was pronounced brain-death twice - the daughter refused to sign and both times within a week she brought him home fully lucid and mobile.

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