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    Re: Do you believe brain death is death?

    Quote Originally Posted by EdwinWillers View Post
    If a patient cannot survive without permanent mechanical assistance, then I'd say (in my absolute lack of medical expertise) they were probably dead.

    Having said that, someone who's been revived with an AED or with CPR, who wouldn't have been revived otherwise, would probably disagree.

    Question is, is there a chance mechanical assistance can revive the patient? I don't have such knowledge. But it seems to me if there is no sign of brain activity, there is a high probability the patient will never recover either on their own or with the help of mechanical assistance. Tough call.
    Actually it is a lot more complex. There are many people who physiologically lack the ability to breath, but are not brain dead. A very high c-spine injury comes to mind. That person can have all their thoughts, memories, and desires left 100% intact. mechanical assistance saves that patient.

    An AED is pure electric activity. If the patient has no mechanical ability left in the heart an AED will not help.

    CPR is pure mechanical activity and a bridge to return to life if the body is up for the challenge.

    Marlise Munoz had the resuscitative measures and her heart restarted, but her brain did not. She had the bridges to return to life applied, and they failed. She died by neurologic insult. There will be no braindead person that was diagnosed by current guidelines that will wake up and disagree.

    Sorry for the scattered thoughts.

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    Re: Do you believe brain death is death?

    when you can no longer wipe your own ass, you are dead to society

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    Re: Do you believe brain death is death?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    when you can no longer wipe your own ass, you are dead to society
    Actually, I believe it would be more accurate to say "when you can no longer THINK about wiping your own ass, you are dead".
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    Re: Do you believe brain death is death?

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Our family had to make that call a couple of months ago to have a family member removed from total life support. It's a very hard thing to do. So sorry for your loss.

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    Re: Do you believe brain death is death?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheGirlNextDoor View Post
    I'm so sorry....

    Hugs to both of you. *Hugs*

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    Re: Do you believe brain death is death?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    That's one of the main issues as I understand it - a brain-dead person on life support appears to just be sleeping...
    Actually Mark, there is nothing natural looking about someone hooked up to all those machines doing the work their body can't. It's a horrible thing for anyone to watch a loved one go through. I can only imagine the pain that husband went through for months anguishing over the situation.

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    Re: Do you believe brain death is death?

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Actually Mark, there is nothing natural looking about someone hooked up to all those machines doing the work their body can't. It's a horrible thing for anyone to watch a loved one go through. I can only imagine the pain that husband went through for months anguishing over the situation.
    I didn't say it was natural-looking. But I would think it would appear as sleep, albeit with lots of stuff hooked up.
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    Re: Do you believe brain death is death?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheGirlNextDoor View Post
    I'm so sorry....

    Hugs to both of you. *Hugs*
    Thank you,

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    Re: Do you believe brain death is death?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    I didn't say it was natural-looking. But I would think it would appear as sleep, albeit with lots of stuff hooked up.
    Sorry, I misunderstood. Yes I guess it does look like they are sleeping if you can get past all the apparatuses they are hooked up to. It's just a horrible thing many will be confronted with in their lifetime. And personally I think it takes a whole lot of love for someone to let them go.

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    Re: Do you believe brain death is death?

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Our family had to make that call a couple of months ago to have a family member removed from total life support. It's a very hard thing to do. So sorry for your loss.
    And I'm so sorry for your loss. "big hug*

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