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    Re: Do you believe brain death is death?

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    Pray tell what relevance does your citation have to anything, let alone to my post that you quoted?
    I wanted you to clearly see WHY Y2L claims are very valid. Ms. Munoz was medially and legally dead.

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    Re: Do you believe brain death is death?

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    Y2L made the poll because it is relevant to Ms. Munoz's death. You made the claim "entire brain"...which isn't how Texas determines DEATH, but more specifically BRAIN DEAD.
    But nothing in my post dealt with the issue. Being that my post was meant to correct someone's incorrect view of brain death.

    Which, again, you laughingly took as an argument against removing Munoz from mechanical support.

    LEVELS of dead are only relevant to State Statutes
    No ****, Sherlock. But my post had nothing to do with the state statutes. It dealt with the definition of a "MEDICAL TERM". But like I said, you obviously didn't understand what you were reading and simply reacted out of ignorance, as is very common for you

    You gave a "HOW STUFF WORKS" explanation, which is fun to read, but it wasn't defining all of the various state laws as how each defines them.
    Which makes sense when one realizes that I wasn't speaking to any specific legal statute, but the standard medical definition

    medical definition=/=complexities of the legal code defining death

    You made the claim "entire brain"...which isn't how Texas determines DEATH, but more specifically BRAIN DEAD.
    well, at that point, an intelligent person might realize that a legal and medical definition *are not* the same thing ...


    The hospital used a Statute in the Advance Directive Act...that WAS MISAPPLIED. And they tried to circumvent Roe v. Wade....and even Texas law about abortion. The hospital claimed that they were bound by law to keep a 14 week old fetus alive until viability. There is NO SUCH STATUE. Then they used the very misapplied statute in the Advanced Directive Act...which did work for them either.

    Again, the fetus in Ms. Munoz was 14 weeks...NOT VIABLE and she was DEAD...legally and medically dead according to the laws of Texas.
    which clearly has nothing to do with a general post about brain death (note, my post, and the one I am replying to, have nothing to do with Munoz or texas. In fact, neither are mentioned).

    Amazing that all this fuss can come about because you lack the ability and discipline to read and understand what you are replying to

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    Re: Do you believe brain death is death?

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    I wanted you to clearly see WHY Y2L claims are very valid. Ms. Munoz was medially and legally dead.
    Yes. And so what? The kid should still receive care.

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    Re: Do you believe brain death is death?

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    Yes. And so what? The kid should still receive care.
    NO! The FETUS WAS NOT VIABLE....

    You're circle jerking in two threads...

    We're done...DONE!

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    Re: Do you believe brain death is death?

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    NO! The FETUS WAS NOT VIABLE....!
    YET. Hence the life support. Duh?

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    Re: Do you believe brain death is death?

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    YET. Hence the life support. Duh?
    I'm not even sure doctors fully understand the relationship between mother and fetus.

    I think it very likely that if you kept a brain-dead pregnant woman alive just to give her baby a chance at survival, it would turn out badly or even worse.

    Not to mention it's ****ing grotesque.

    Besides, there's that whole bit with organs starting to shut down if the brain is dead, despite life support - don't tell me that wouldn't effect the fetus....
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    Re: Do you believe brain death is death?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    I'm not even sure doctors fully understand the relationship between mother and fetus.

    I think it very likely that if you kept a brain-dead pregnant woman alive just to give her baby a chance at survival, it would turn out badly or even worse.

    Not to mention it's ****ing grotesque.

    Besides, there's that whole bit with organs starting to shut down if the brain is dead, despite life support - don't tell me that wouldn't effect the fetus....
    actually, though rare, there has been research in the area, which i posted earlier.

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    Re: Do you believe brain death is death?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    actually, though rare, there has been research in the area, which i posted earlier.
    Not to mention those healthy twins born in Michigan in 2012, their mom brain dead on a vent for a month.

    Oh did I say twins, I mean grotesque macabre freaks and their family was awful and disgusting for wanting to provide for them... or something.

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    Re: Do you believe brain death is death?

    Oklahoma City, Okla., Mar 27, 2008 / 05:58 am (CNA).- A young man who was injured in an all-terrain-vehicle accident woke from his coma and showed signs of life just minutes before he was to be disconnected from life support, Dateline NBC reports.

    Zack Dunlap suffered a broken collarbone, multiple skull fractures, and “absolutely catastrophic” brain injuries when his four-wheeled off-road vehicle flipped over.

    After tests revealed no blood flow to Dunlap’s brain, doctors determined he met the legal and medical requirements for declaring someone brain-dead.

    Dunlap’s family decided to remove him from life support, and a medical team prepared to harvest Dunlap’s organs for donation. Oklahoma authorities were informed of his death, while friends and family were told to gather at the hospital to say their goodbyes.
    Man makes "miraculous" recovery from brain death after accident :: Catholic News Agency (CNA)
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    Re: Do you believe brain death is death?

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    Not to mention those healthy twins born in Michigan in 2012, their mom brain dead on a vent for a month.

    Oh did I say twins, I mean grotesque macabre freaks and their family was awful and disgusting for wanting to provide for them... or something.
    That's different than this situation, due to the stage of pregnancy, I would think.

    It just seems grotesque to keep a dead person's body alive on the off chance that the partially developed fetus inside will develop fully...

    Not sure where you got all that drill in your last statement.
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