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    Re: Do you believe brain death is death?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    vegetative state=/=brain dead
    Like a said. Her head was full of jello. If that isn't brain death then I don't know what is.
    A permanent vegetative state is the result of brain death.

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    Re: Do you believe brain death is death?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    vegetative state=/=brain dead
    Not the same at all.

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    Re: Do you believe brain death is death?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    No - because there are different levels of being 'brain dead' - and being in the state where medical assistance is necessary in order to keep the body functioning is only one *type*
    From the uniform determination of death act.

    Determination of Death. An individual who has sustained either (1) irreversible cessation of circulatory and respiratory functions, or (2) irreversible cessation of all functions of the entire brain, including the brain stem, is dead. A determination of death must be made in accordance with accepted medical standards


    Brain dead is dead.

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    Re: Do you believe brain death is death?

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Like a said. Her head was full of jello. If that isn't brain death then I don't know what is.
    A permanent vegetative state is the result of brain death.

    then you need to educate yourself: brain damage, even if extensive in nature, is not the same as "brain death".

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    Re: Do you believe brain death is death?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    then you need to educate yourself: brain damage, even if extensive in nature, is not the same as "brain death".
    Let me get this straight. Are you saying that Scaivo was not brain dead? Look at the brain on the right, the black is jello. You believe she had any level of consciousness? A brain stem performing involuntary functions is not a human. The Terry Scaivo incident was a monumental episode of religious insanity and against all medical guidelines.
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    Re: Do you believe brain death is death?

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Let me get this straight. Are you saying that Scaivo was not brain dead?
    Yes, she was not brain dead and you have no idea what you speak of

    Look at the brain on the right, the black is jello. You believe she had any level of consciousness?
    Right, she lacked consciousness. But the brain functions at a level beyond the conscious, hence why there are extensive areas of study that deal with unconscious functions of the brain. Now, are you beginning to understand where your misunderstanding lays?


    A brain stem performing involuntary functions is not a human.
    Your ethical view of what is "human" has no real place in a conversation about brain death. Which is a quantitative evaluation of the underlying functional nature of an organ, not a philosophical question


    The Terry Scaivo incident was a monumental episode of religious insanity and against all medical guidelines.
    lol, you don't even understand the medical terms you are attempting to apply here, so I would avoid waxing on about medical guidelines

    A brain stem performing involuntary functions is not a human. The Terry Scaivo incident was a monumental episode of religious insanity and against all medical guidelines.[/QUOTE]

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    Re: Do you believe brain death is death?

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    Ask Texas.....
    Its texas, not the bastion of common sense nor sense at all.

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    Re: Do you believe brain death is death?

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Let me get this straight. Are you saying that Scaivo was not brain dead? Look at the brain on the right, the black is jello. You believe she had any level of consciousness? A brain stem performing involuntary functions is not a human. The Terry Scaivo incident was a monumental episode of religious insanity and against all medical guidelines.
    Brain death is a specific medical and legal term. Schiavo was not brain dead.

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    Re: Do you believe brain death is death?

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Let me get this straight. Are you saying that Scaivo was not brain dead? Look at the brain on the right, the black is jello. You believe she had any level of consciousness? A brain stem performing involuntary functions is not a human. The Terry Scaivo incident was a monumental episode of religious insanity and against all medical guidelines.
    Every video I saw was typical of PVS.

    But by definition, if she could initiate any breathing on her own, she was not brain dead.

    I do agree, that the Schiavo incident was religious extremism at is not so finest.

    The court case should have been - who has the legal right to decide.

    It was insanity that any other case was made.

    In hospice, people are taken off feedings every day. It is legal and accepted practice for this to occur. Patient by patient, family by family. For the government to come to a screeching halt to address this was FITH.

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    Re: Do you believe brain death is death?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    lol, what?

    "By definition, "brain death" is "when the entire brain, including the brain stem, has irreversibly lost all function." The legal time of death is "that time when a physician(s) has determined that the brain and the brain stem have irreversibly lost all neurological function."

    HowStuffWorks "How Brain Death Works"

    CHUCK...Let's stick with Texas Law...how bout it?


    TITLE 8. DEATH AND DISPOSITION OF THE BODY

    SUBTITLE A. DEATH CHAPTER 671.

    DETERMINATION OF DEATH AND AUTOPSY REPORTS SUBCHAPTER A.

    DETERMINATION OF DEATH 671.001.

    Standard Used in Determining Death (a) A person is dead when, according to ordinary standards of medical practice, there is irreversible cessation of the person's spontaneous respiratory and circulatory functions. (b) If artificial means of support preclude a determination that a person's spontaneous respiratory and circulatory functions have ceased, the person is dead when, in the announced opinion of a physician, according to ordinary standards of medical practice, there is irreversible cessation of all spontaneous brain function. Death occurs when the relevant functions cease. (c) Death must be pronounced before artificial means of supporting a person's respiratory and circulatory functions are terminated. (d) A registered nurse or physician assistant may determine and pronounce a person dead in situations other than those described by Subsection (b) if permitted by written policies of a licensed health care facility, institution, or entity providing services to that person. Those policies must include physician assistants who are credentialed or otherwise permitted to practice at the facility, institution, or entity. If the facility, institution, or entity has an organized nursing staff and an organized medical staff or medical consultant, the nursing staff and medical staff or consultant shall jointly develop and approve those policies. The board shall adopt rules to govern policies for facilities, institutions, or entities that do not have organized nursing staffs and organized medical staffs or medical consultants. Acts 1989, 71st Leg., ch. 678, 1, eff. Sept. 1, 1989. Amended by Acts 1991, 72nd Leg., ch. 201, 1, eff. Sept. 1, 1991. Amended by Acts 1995, 74th Leg., ch. 965, 8, eff. June 16, 1995.

    671.002. Limitation of Liability (a) A physician who determines death in accordance with Section 671.001(b) or a registered nurse or physician assistant who determines death in accordance with Section 671.001(d) is not liable for civil damages or subject to criminal prosecution for the physician's, registered nurse's, or physician assistant's actions or the actions of others based on the determination of death. (b) A person who acts in good faith in reliance on a physician's, registered nurse's, or physician assistant's determination of death is not liable for civil damages or subject to criminal prosecution for the person's actions. Acts 1989, 71st Leg., ch. 678, 1, eff. Sept. 1, 1989. Amended by Acts 1991, 72nd Leg., ch. 201, 2, eff. Sept. 1, 1991. Amended by Acts 1995, 74th Leg., ch. 965, 9, eff. June 16, 1995.

    State of Texas


    The above isn't congruent to HOW STUFF WORKS...

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