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Thread: Do you believe brain death is death?

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    Re: Do you believe brain death is death?

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    Re: Do you believe brain death is death?

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    When it comes to science so well proven, it doesn't matter what I "believe" and what anyone "believes" should have no bearing on the situation. It's a scientifically sound medical perspective.
    I'm usually big on supporting things that are well proved by science, but brain death and the line between brain death and a deep coma (and whether it exists at all) is not well understood because by the nature of the phenomenon it is very difficult to research.

    To most historical cultures, a coma itself was basically death because they lacked the tools to reverse the process or sustain the victim.
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    Re: Do you believe brain death is death?

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    A patient on a mechanical ventilator has a beating heart, but has been proclaimed "brain death" according to accepted US standards.

    Do you accept the patient as dead?
    Of what consequence is anyone's belief? What is the purpose of this thread?

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    Re: Do you believe brain death is death?

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    any other type of major organ failure results in brain death... (if the failure is bad enough)

    also other organs pretty much need the brain to function...

    Why are we asking this question again?
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    Re: Do you believe brain death is death?

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    Ask Texas.....
    If this is to push some position on the brain-dead/pregnant chick, you would better serve your agenda focusing the discussion on the fetus. Due to the fact that is the reason she is being sustained, and not due to some notion about *her* (the mother) still being alive.

    For all intense and purposes, she is merely a life support system for the fetus, regardless of where in the debate you align

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    Re: Do you believe brain death is death?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ray410 View Post
    It's easier to realize the artificiality of the apparent "life" once you understand that it is much different from a coma and secondly, after a relatively short period of time, their organs will begin to deteriorate and fail due to their condition.
    Hmm. Haven't you heard of Terry Scaivo? She "lived" for 15 years with a head full of jello. A body can be kept alive indefinitely with only a brain stem that functions. They finally quit feeding the body in 2005 but Terry died in 1990.

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    Re: Do you believe brain death is death?

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    A patient on a mechanical ventilator has a beating heart, but has been proclaimed "brain death" according to accepted US standards.

    Do you accept the patient as dead?
    No - because there are different levels of being 'brain dead' - and being in the state where medical assistance is necessary in order to keep the body functioning is only one *type*
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    Re: Do you believe brain death is death?

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Hmm. Haven't you heard of Terry Scaivo? She "lived" for 15 years with a head full of jello. A body can be kept alive indefinitely with only a brain stem that functions. They finally quit feeding the body in 2005 but Terry died in 1990.
    vegetative state=/=brain dead

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    Re: Do you believe brain death is death?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    They don't give anesthetics.

    On another thread I gave links to "brain dead" people not being dead at all. Harvesting organs is big, big money business. It also is expensive to keep someone not paying on life support. So pulling the plug ends the expensive and the allows extremely lucrative transplant surgeries - a win-win money win by pulling the plug.

    For one of those, where THREE doctors had certified the man as brain dead, he heard them telling his mother that he is "brain dead" and asking her permission to plug the plug and cut off the ventilator and all nutrients. And he heard the doctors away from her talking about how to best remove his organs for transplant. He had no way to communicate that he was not dead and to not cut him up. His mother refused. He revived and fully recovered.

    We know someone whose father was pronounced brain-death twice - the daughter refused to sign and both times within a week she brought him home fully lucid and mobile.
    Twice huh? That is medical malpractice. Brain death is not a subjective thing. Either your EEG is flat line or not. Your friends father did not have a flat line EEG or he would not have woken up.

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    Re: Do you believe brain death is death?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    No - because there are different levels of being 'brain dead' - and being in the state where medical assistance is necessary in order to keep the body functioning is only one *type*
    lol, what?

    "By definition, "brain death" is "when the entire brain, including the brain stem, has irreversibly lost all function." The legal time of death is "that time when a physician(s) has determined that the brain and the brain stem have irreversibly lost all neurological function."

    HowStuffWorks "How Brain Death Works"

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