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    Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish[W:126]

    Title kind of sums it up.
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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    Title kind of sums it up.
    Sans contract, that's the way it is. Works for me.

    Edit: The German has reminded me that various state and federal civil rights laws prohibit discrimination. I should say that I agree with these laws. Hard to enforce, but no one should be fired for being gay, pregnant, black, Muslim, etc.

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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

    Someone who fires a pregnant woman because she is pregnant should be prevented from doing so by the law.

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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

    NO.

    That's an incredibly bad idea.

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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

    As an employer,I say no.

    I consider employment to involve a certain social contract that works in both directions rather than just one.
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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    As an employer,I say no.

    I consider employment to involve a certain social contract that works in both directions rather than just one.
    As an employer, I have one problem with that. The employee can quit at any time for any reason and there isn't a damned thing you can do about it so it doesn't really work out as equitably as you suggest.

    As far as hiring I figure than an employer should be able to hire whoever they want to. I'm less inclined to make firing as simple because a simple clash of personalities can be used to really screw an employee.

    Someone mentioned pregnancy and while I couldn't condone the firing of an employee just because they were pregnant there is still a job that needs to get done and if that employee can't do the job due to her condition then there needs to be a little leeway. If she needs a couple of weeks off to have the baby and get her feet back under her that's one thing but if I start getting a call 3 times a week that she can't make it in because of this, that or the other it screws things up.

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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

    Outside of instances where it can be clearly demonstrated that it's discrimination based on a protecetd class, no.

    HOWEVER, like I said, it needs to be clear.

    You can't fire someone for being christian. You should be able to fire them however if they say something religious that offends a customer and can potentially cause your business damage. Why? Because you're not firing them for being christian, you're firing them due to the potential damage they're doing to your business.

    You can't fire someone for being Gay. You should be able to fire them however if they came to work in completley socially inappropriate clothing that causes a customer to complain and potentially doing your business harm. Why? Same as the above, yo'ure firing them not becuase they're gay but because of their ACTIONS.

    Basically, look at the reason for firing and ask yourself "if the same thing happened, but they weren't [protected group] would it still be reasonable to fire someone".

    This is why I didn't have an issue legally with A&E suspending the Duck Dynasty guy. It's why I don't have an issue with the guy dressing up as the straight jacketed Obama being fired. Or the editor for writing an anti-obama headline. Or the Applebees lady who posted a receipt online from a pastor who left a complaint. Or the woman fired from a catholic school for getting invitro fertilization. Or conversely, why I had no problem with Wegman's setting up a sign to ask people not to bring pork or alcohol down an aisle with a muslim teen cashier.

    Now, granted...I think you need some solid and legitimate documentation if you're firing someone of those particularly protected groups to demonstrate that the firing is not BECAUSE they're gay, or black, or pregnant, etc. But as long as there is a solid and legitimate reasoning that would be sound if the person wasn't that protected group, then to me that shows the firing is NOT because of their protected status but rather becuase of their chosen ACTIONS that directly relate to business and/or their contract in some fashion.

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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

    Quote Originally Posted by The German View Post
    Someone who fires a pregnant woman because she is pregnant should be prevented from doing so by the law.
    I understand why many people think so, but I am not sure that is a rationally solid idea. Effectively it makes a young woman more expensive i.e. risky to employ. If society wants to protect pregnant women the tax payer should underwrite the cost. That would help the glass ceiling.

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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    Title kind of sums it up.
    Why should an employer be forced to work with someone she feels uneasy with?

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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    As an employer, I have one problem with that. The employee can quit at any time for any reason and there isn't a damned thing you can do about it so it doesn't really work out as equitably as you suggest.
    As far as hiring I figure than an employer should be able to hire whoever they want to. I'm less inclined to make firing as simple because a simple clash of personalities can be used to really screw an employee.

    Someone mentioned pregnancy and while I couldn't condone the firing of an employee just because they were pregnant there is still a job that needs to get done and if that employee can't do the job due to her condition then there needs to be a little leeway. If she needs a couple of weeks off to have the baby and get her feet back under her that's one thing but if I start getting a call 3 times a week that she can't make it in because of this, that or the other it screws things up.
    The bolded part.

    Employees aren't held to the same standard. Here in Tennessee, if you let an employee go without a documentable justified cause, they can file for unemployment. I've yet to hear of an employer being able to do the same.
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