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Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish[W:126]

should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason

  • yes

    Votes: 59 48.0%

  • no

    Votes: 64 52.0%
  • Total voters
    123
Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

lawboy said:
Ditto!
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Good...then we agree on something!!!

(Though it is strange to me that you apparently instigate discussions with people who you 'don't much care' what they think...but whatever)


Good day.
 
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Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

DA60 said:
Good...then we agree on something!!!


Good day.
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I'll tell you what you are entitled to, your opinion, THAT is in the Constitution.
 
Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

lawboy said:
I'll tell you what you are entitled to, your opinion, THAT is in the Constitution.
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Great...thanks.

Good day.
 
Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

danielpalos said:
the regular military is one example. emergency support personnel may be another.

don't tell me you have an advanced degree.
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Not at all, but govt. employees are entitled to more 1st and 4th AM protections in the workplace then in the private sector.
 
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lawboy said:
Then the BoR should not apply to the states, right or wrong?
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Our Bill of Rights applies to the several States via Due Process and Article 4, Section 2 as a rational choice of law in any conflict of laws arising under the authority of the United States.
 
Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

lawboy said:
Not at all, but govt. employees are entitled to more 1st and 4th AM protections in the workplace then in the private sector.
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can the regular military or emergency support personnel be "furloughed" like civil Persons who are not in those classes?
 
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danielpalos said:
can the regular military or emergency support personnel be "furloughed" like civil Persons who are not in those classes?
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I have little knowledge on the military, but unless you are such as section 8, you are entitled to your service and enlistment time.
 
Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

lawboy said:
I have little knowledge on the military, but unless you are such as section 8, you are entitled to your service and enlistment time.
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what a coincidence; your previous arguments indicated you really don't know much about the topic nor the social issues involved. do you have an advanced degree as well?
 
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danielpalos said:
what a coincidence; your previous arguments indicated you really don't know much about the topic nor the social issues involved. do you have an advanced degree as well?
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The OP did not mention public or private sector! Responders directed thier posts at the PS, so were most of mine!
 
Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

lawboy said:
We have been over that and it did no good. I would think as a TAXPAYER you would want employment protection if you blew the whistle on your defense contractor employer who charged the government 10 thousand for a hammer! I guess not!

I guess you like like paying that out of your tax money, I do not, and I want employment protection if I blow the whistle.

IF you did not blow the whistle then I am paying MORE taxes, thank you!!

If YOU as an individual do NOT wish to assert your RIGHTS, that is your business, very FEW agree with your stance.
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Well, according to the straw poll up there, roughly 70 out of 150 DP members agree with me. I guess in your world that is 'very few'?

Also whistle blowers is another separate issue, just as the drinking fountains were, and is not a component in the principle that it is the employer's legally and ethically acquired the money, property, and other resources, and it is the employer who is taking almost all of the risk in owning and operating a business. The employee should have absolutely no right to anything the employer has EXCEPT that which is agreed beween the employer and employee.

So the employer should not have the right to break a contract between him and the whistle blower--the employer should have to give the employee whatever the employer had agreed with that employee including severance pay or any accumulated compensation for vacation/sick pay etc. if applicable. But yes, the employer should have the right to fire the whistle blower just as he must have the right to fire anybody for any reason if we are a nation that believes in liberty and unalienable rights.
 
Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

AlbqOwl said:
Well, according to the straw poll up there, roughly 70 out of 150 DP members agree with me. I guess in your world that is 'very few'?
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once again nobody know if that is true until a mod verifies, until then you are guessing and have nothing to back it up

but most importantly opinions dont matter to rights
 
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Poll numbers corrected.
 
Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

so, why is only labor denied and disparaged in employment at will regarding unemployment compensation in any at-will employment State?
 
Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

CaptainCourtesy said:
Poll numbers corrected.
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Ah thanks. So it is 55 out of 117 respondents who agree with me. I stand corrected. I wonder if that correction makes that 47+% 'very few'?
 
Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

DA60 said:
Lol...whatever pal.

I am saying that an employer should be able to fire an employee for ANY reason - looks, race, height, sex, eye color, penis size, favorite sorts team, favorite color...ANYTHING...no matter how pathetic the reason.

I have already explained why.

You don't agree...I don't much care.


Good day.
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Good counterpoint.

You are fired, because you put on a harness, and didn't fall off that wind turbine- because it took you 45 seconds longer than the new hire who doesn't care about falling to his/her doom. This is America, free market, yeah.
This type of system leads to unions and laws restricting employers based on actual employee rights.
 
Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

trollarc said:
Good counterpoint.

You are fired, because you put on a harness, and didn't fall off that wind turbine- because it took you 45 seconds longer than the new hire who doesn't care about falling to his/her doom. This is America, free market, yeah.
This type of system leads to unions and laws restricting employers based on actual employee rights.
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Health and safety laws would still apply...no rights would be violated.

And simply have federal laws that are not union friendly - or unfriendly. Not all unions are bad, just too many or when laws allow them to be too powerful are bad.
 
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DA60 said:
Health and safety laws would still apply...no rights would be violated.
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DA60 said:
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I am saying that an employer should be able to fire an employee for ANY reason - looks, race, height, sex, eye color, penis size, favorite sorts team, favorite color...ANYTHING...no matter how pathetic the reason.
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What side are you on? Did you switch between pages six and twelve?
 
Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

trollarc said:
What side are you on? Did you switch between pages six and twelve?
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They can fire them for ANY reason, imo.

But while they are working for them, they cannot knowingly violate health/safety laws.
 
Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

DA60 said:
They can fire them for ANY reason, imo.

But while they are working for them, they cannot knowingly violate health/safety laws.
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And they can't knowingly violate anti-discrimination laws (especially applicable to companies that hold government contracts).

So you think it should be legal to fire someone for any reason, except when it is illegal. I agree. You win the debate, you are really good at this.
 
Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

trollarc said:
And they can't knowingly violate anti-discrimination laws (especially applicable to companies that hold government contracts).

So you think it should be legal to fire someone for any reason, except when it is illegal. I agree. You win the debate, you are really good at this.
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Ahhh, no.

Obviously, you change the anti-discrimination laws to allow firing's for any reason, but not the health and safety laws.

I assumed that was obvious...apparently not.
 
Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

DA60 said:
Ahhh, no.

Obviously, you change the anti-discrimination laws to allow firing's for any reason, but not the health and safety laws.

I assumed that was obvious...apparently not.
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Oh. Sure, if we change the law, that is fine. I found someone who doesn't agree with you.
DA60 said:
Lol...whatever pal.
I am saying that an employer should be able to fire an employee for ANY reason - looks, race, height, sex, eye color, penis size, favorite sorts team, favorite color...ANYTHING...no matter how pathetic the reason.
I have already explained why.
You don't agree...I don't much care.
Good day.
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Anything includes wasting company time on safety.
 
Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

DA60 said:
Lol...whatever pal.

I am saying that an employer should be able to fire an employee for ANY reason - looks, race, height, sex, eye color, penis size, favorite sorts team, favorite color...ANYTHING...no matter how pathetic the reason.

I have already explained why.

You don't agree...I don't much care.


Good day.
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I agree with your literal interpretation of that concept. I also believe that labor should be able to quit on that same basis; even if our current regime must be changed in favor of something that is more market friendly. Unemployment compensation could be funded through general taxes on Firms for simplification and cost reduction.
 
Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

trollarc said:
Good counterpoint.

You are fired, because you put on a harness, and didn't fall off that wind turbine- because it took you 45 seconds longer than the new hire who doesn't care about falling to his/her doom. This is America, free market, yeah.
This type of system leads to unions and laws restricting employers based on actual employee rights.
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You want to know what employee rights should be?

- The employee should expect the employer to provide a reasonably safe work environment or at least to advise the employee of what the known existing hazards are so that the employee can chose whether to assume that risk when he/she accepts the job.

- The employee should expect the employer to provide the salary and benefits as he agreed with the employee at the time the job was offered and the employee accepted.

- The employee should expect policies for the benefit of the employee to be enforced as they existed when the employee accepted the job.

That's pretty much it.
 
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