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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

    Of course. As the the owner of the property they have right to control the access and use of that property. Furthermore, since hiring someone requires association and they have the right to not associate with whomever they desire they have the right to refuse to hire and the right to fire whomever they please.
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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Employment is two way contract. A contract ought to treat the two parties as equals. An employer already has substantial power by owning the business and controlling it. The employee needs the force of law to equalize the negotiation.
    The basic situation has been in operation such as it is since time immemorial. Whereas you see the employee at a deficit in the relationship, I see them as being more equal.

    I don't see a need to force government intervention into what already works well enough, only to screw it up beyond all recognition and practical operation (the typical result of unneeded government intervention).

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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

    Why is it that so many people here are anti-entitlements this and anti-entitlements that but when it comes to their job they want to be entitled to job safety? Businesses are not run to be social programs. Let me say that one more time. Businesses are not social programs. They are investments made in order to gain a return on capital. Pure and simple. Why do you want the government sticking its nose in an employer's business concerning job security but then tell it to stay away with regulations? Here I see so many who are stalwart rightists, except when their job is on the line. I think maybe a lot here are actually closet liberals.

    If you want job security, make yourself so valuable to your boss that it would be insane to fire you. Why not make yourself so valuable that headhunters are calling you everyday with better offers? You'll never have to worry about job security ever again. But that is the problem, isn't it? The real problem is that most people are lazy, stupid, mediocre and unmotivated and want something they don't deserve. I say move to France if you can't cut it in the US.

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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

    Absolutely. The owners own the business, not the employees.
    Only a fool measures equality by results and not opportunities.

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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

    Quote Originally Posted by point1percent View Post
    I say move to France if you can't cut it in the US.
    I say, move to Cuba or North Korea. They will save your right to work.

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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    Title kind of sums it up.
    Not without consequences.

    1. You're black. You're fired.
    2. You won't sleep with me? Two week notice. What a bi#$h!
    3. I thought I told you to falsify that report and sign it. You're fired.
    4. Oh, you're a Christian, and you really believe that stuff? I think you're not who we're looking for.
    5. We don't hire registered republicans here. Thanks for inquiring.
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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    anonymous polls suck...
    Why? I personally prefer responses and honest answers over image protection and politically correct responses.
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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Employment is two way contract. A contract ought to treat the two parties as equals. An employer already has substantial power by owning the business and controlling it. The employee needs the force of law to equalize the negotiation.
    That's a generalization that doesn't always hold. Certainly in cases of unskilled labor or widely available skill sets. But people with hard of find talents can often call the shots.
    Don't be a grammar nazi - Marcus Aurelius, Meditations, Book 1 #7

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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

    No.

    I would further limit the ability to fire employees for non-work related reasons with this proposed law:

    Rough Draft Proposal
    A. It shall be an unlawful employment practice for an employer or educational institution
    (1)to fail or refuse to hire or to discharge any individual, or otherwise discriminate against any individual with respect to the compensation, terms, conditions, or privileges of employment of the individual, because of such individualís actual or perceived activities while off duty and not representing the employer.
    (2)to limit, segregate, or classify the employees or applicants for employment of the employer in any way that would deprive or tend to deprive any individual of employment or otherwise adversely affect the status of the individual as an employee, because of such individualís actual or perceived activities while off duty and not representing the employer.

    B. No person in the United States shall be excluded from participation in, be denied the benefits of, or be subjected to discrimination under any program or activity receiving Federal financial assistance due to because of such individualís actual or perceived activities during their personal time away from the program or activity.

    Exemptions shall be allowed only for employees of religious organizations whose duty it is to represent the beliefs of the organization.


    For the same reasons it is unethical and illegal to discriminate against people for their marital status, religion or sexual orientation I believe we need protection from employer and institutional discrimination based on other aspects of our personal lives away from work. My belief is that employers should only be concerned with their employees work performance, not their off-duty activities, whether public or private. This is more important than ever because the internet often makes evidence of our activities available to potential employers and college admissions officials. People are being fired for expressing their political beliefs, for engaging in normal and legal activities such as drinking alcohol or wearing sexy clothing when evidence has been found on the internet. People are also being fired for their past activities, even if they no longer engage in such activities.

    This protection will benefit employers also. For example, if an employer gets a complaint from a customer that an employee posed for sexy photos, the employer can reply that it is illegal to discriminate against an employee for their off-duty behavior.

    This is especially important with the trend of corporate consolidation reducing the quantity of potential employers. Without this protection, a small number of corporations could make it virtually impossible for a person with political views that are different from the corporation's political agenda from obtaining a job.

    It is especially important to prevent discrimination against people for activities they engaged in while still in their youth and before their brain is fully developed.

    People should have the opportunity to change their lifestyle without having to be concerned that evidence of their past will cause them to lose their job.

    This type of discrimination can effect people regardless of lifestyle or political viewpoint. Without a person could be fired or refused employment or an educational opportunity because they posed with a gun, a hand rolled cigarette, a confederate flag, a peace flag, attended an unpopular church, jokingly made gang signs with their hands, attended a protest march or because they got drunk at party.

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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

    Sounds like employment at will to me. In my opinion, a drug test as a Condition of hiring is For-Cause (just Cause) employment, not employment at will.

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