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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    Why do you support owners firing employees for refusing sex?
    Yes; especially if the company employee relations manual expresses that client relations skills are essential to the Firm and that every effort to work on mutually beneficial and friendly social intercourse is considered a virtue if it helps achieve the Firm's goals. It is not always only teamwork that counts, but team effort as well.

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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
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    - The employee should expect policies for the benefit of the employee to be enforced as they existed when the employee accepted the job.
    Most current employees accepted jobs when anti-discrimination and safety laws were in place.
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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

    Quote Originally Posted by trollarc View Post
    Most current employees accepted jobs when anti-discrimination and safety laws were in place.
    That does not have any bearing on whether an employer SHOULD have the right to fire whomever he or she wishes.
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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    That does not have any bearing on whether an employer SHOULD have the right to fire whomever he or she wishes.
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    You want to know what employee rights should be?
    - The employee should expect policies for the benefit of the employee to be enforced as they existed when the employee accepted the job.
    That is right, and lets fire people for utilizing safe work practices because they cost money- also anybody hurt on the job is fired.
    Also, repeal the fourteenth amendment on the basis it hurts employer's rights not to hire people of a different ethnicity. Black panther's delivery service, kkk grocery store, etc.
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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

    Quote Originally Posted by trollarc View Post
    That is right, and lets fire people for utilizing safe work practices because they cost money- also anybody hurt on the job is fired.
    Also, repeal the fourteenth amendment on the basis it hurts employer's rights not to hire people of a different ethnicity. Black panther's delivery service, kkk grocery store, etc.
    Why do you keep going on about safe work practices?

    Under the 'fire for any reason' rules...the employer does not have to think up a reason, or even use the real reason. They can just fire them, no questions asked.

    Which is as it should be...the employee does not have to say why they are quitting, same should go for the employer.


    Besides, there are health and safety laws which apply and are in the employers best interest to follow.
    Less people will want to buy your product/service if you employ unsafe work practices.

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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    Why do you keep going on about safe work practices?

    Under the 'fire for any reason' rules...the employer does not have to think up a reason, or even use the real reason. They can just fire them, no questions asked.

    Which is as it should be...the employee does not have to say why they are quitting, same should go for the employer.


    Besides, there are health and safety laws which apply and are in the employers best interest to follow.
    Less people will want to buy your product/service if you employ unsafe work practices.
    And there are anti discrimination laws which still apply.

    So I agree, employers should legally be allowed to fire employees, except where it is illegal.

    We both believe that there should be regulations on employers ability to fire people, therefore we answer no to the OP.
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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

    Quote Originally Posted by trollarc View Post
    And there are anti discrimination laws which still apply.

    So I agree, employers should legally be allowed to fire employees, except where it is illegal.
    And as I said before, you change the anti-discrimination laws to allow 'firing for any reason'.

    But you don't change health and safety laws.

    The former is about a job. The latter is about basic safety...life and death stuff.

    And 'no', having a job or not in a country with massive welfare programs like America is not life-or-death.


    And I will ask you again, why do you keep going on about health and safety practices? This is at least the second thread you have brought it up in.

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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    And as I said before, you change the anti-discrimination laws to allow 'firing for any reason'.

    But you don't change health and safety laws.

    The former is about a job. The latter is about basic safety...life and death stuff.

    And 'no', having a job or not in a country with massive welfare programs like America is not life-or-death.


    And I will ask you again, why do you keep going on about health and safety practices? This is at least the second thread you have brought it up in.
    So you believe that employer's ability to fire people should be regulated?
    then you answer no to the OP.

    I am pretty sure this is the only thread I have been in about labor relations.

    Your name for the law you propose is a misnomer. Here is the correct name, "fire people for reasons I consider ok while maintaining a majority of the expense and regulation of current law because I feel my step towards excessive risk isn't an easy debate to knock out of the park".
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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

    Quote Originally Posted by trollarc View Post
    So you believe that employer's ability to fire people should be regulated?
    then you answer no to the OP.

    I am pretty sure this is the only thread I have been in about labor relations.

    Your name for the law you propose is a misnomer. Here is the correct name, "fire people for reasons I consider ok while maintaining a majority of the expense and regulation of current law because I feel my step towards excessive risk isn't an easy debate to knock out of the park".
    Why are you not getting this...it's simple.

    No, I believe an employer should be able to fire any employee for ANY reason...or NO reason.

    Health and safety laws have NOTHING to do with this...it is a separate matter. They are about workplace safety for employees...they are NOTHING to do with firing people.


    If a workplace is unsafe, the employee complains to the authorities, they look into it and make a decision.
    If the employee thinks he got fired for complaining, he reports it to the local news service who then reports it to the public and they might boycott the employer for such a practice.
    If he does not want to risk losing his job and decides to work in what he believes is an unsafe workplace...that is his decision (and a dumb one, IMO).

    It's not rocket science. Workplace unsafe? Complain to employer. If they won't fix it...quit and complain to health/safety officials to help future workers there.


    And yes, I guess this was the only thread you mentioned it...you just keep bringing the same thing up over and over.
    Last edited by DA60; 02-10-14 at 10:37 AM.

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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    I have NO IDEA what you are talking about.

    It is simple...leave health and safety laws as they are AND change other laws so that an employer can fire any employee for any reason...or even no reason (just as the reverse is presently true for employees).

    And yes, I guess this was the only thread you mentioned it...you just keep bringing the same thing up over and over.

    And you STILL have not answered my question.

    Are you ever going to?
    Which question?

    Do minorities and women deserve the same pay for the same work?

    Do you believe that employers should not be allowed to fire people for reporting unsafe work conditions?
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