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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

    Quote Originally Posted by danielpalos View Post
    Would we need as much public sector intervention in private sector markets if labor had recourse to unemployment compensation on an at-will basis?
    I'm not sure we need public sector intervention as it currently exists at all. I always get this impression that we're fixing stuff that is not broken and ignoring the real problems.

    But that's politics I suppose.
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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    I'm not sure we need public sector intervention as it currently exists at all. I always get this impression that we're fixing stuff that is not broken and ignoring the real problems.

    But that's politics I suppose.
    Like what? With recourse to unemployment compensation, simply for being unemployed, labor could pursue other opportunity costs than directly competing in the market for labor. Why not correct for laissez-faire Capitalism's laziness regarding achieving full employment of resources in the market for labor though existing infrastructure? In this manner, Socialism could bailout Capitalism (like usual) through central planning, income transfers, and an official Mint at our disposal under our form of Capitalism where it only takes money to make more money.

    Would we need more regulation or less regulation if only the "efficient" labor market participants compete to command an efficiency and market based wage in the market for labor?
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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    I think that if something (such as a right) were truly inalienable, any attempt to violate/change it would fail.

    The rights that are often called inalienable are actually more along the lines of "what a human usually fights to protect" (life, liberty, etc.).
    That's clearly not the case though since any supposed right that is proposed can be easily violated. If a right to life were inviolable, I couldn't put a gun to your head and pull the trigger. Clearly that's wrong.
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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

    Under our form of capitalism, the right prefers to deny and disparage the least wealthy in favor of the wealthiest.

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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish[W:126]

    Quote Originally Posted by danielpalos View Post
    Why shouldn't employees be able to quit and collect unemployment compensation in any at-will employment State?
    They can in many circumstances. There's no difference in collecting UI benefits between at will and not at will. At will has no impact on benefits, the same general rules apply.
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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish[W:126]

    Quote Originally Posted by pinqy View Post
    They can in many circumstances. There's no difference in collecting UI benefits between at will and not at will. At will has no impact on benefits, the same general rules apply.
    You actually can't collect benefits unless you were terminated through no fault of your own. You cannot violate company policy, be terminated for cause and still collect unemployment.
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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish[W:126]

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    You actually can't collect benefits unless you were terminated through no fault of your own. You cannot violate company policy, be terminated for cause and still collect unemployment.
    There are circumstances where you can quit and be eligible
    Benefits Eligibility | Virginia Employment Commission
    "You will be disqualified if the deputy determines that you quit your job without good cause, or you were fired from your job for misconduct in connection with your work."
    This implies that you are not disqualified if you quit for good cause.
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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish[W:126]

    Quote Originally Posted by pinqy View Post
    There are circumstances where you can quit and be eligible
    Benefits Eligibility | Virginia Employment Commission
    "You will be disqualified if the deputy determines that you quit your job without good cause, or you were fired from your job for misconduct in connection with your work."
    This implies that you are not disqualified if you quit for good cause.
    I'm not sure what good cause might be in that case. If you quit because you were being harassed or discriminated against, I might be able to see that, but I would assume you'd be sitting on a sizable lawsuit that would eliminate your need for unemployment.
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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish[W:126]

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    I'm not sure what good cause might be in that case. If you quit because you were being harassed or discriminated against, I might be able to see that, but I would assume you'd be sitting on a sizable lawsuit that would eliminate your need for unemployment.
    Generally speaking, "good cause" would be discrimination or harassment or other circumstances where the employee believes s/he cannot adequately resolve a situation. You don't have to prove discrimination, but it does h a 've to be reasonable.
    Therefore, since the world has still/Much good, but much less good than ill,
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    I'd face it as a wise man would,/And train for ill and not for good.

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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish[W:126]

    Quote Originally Posted by pinqy View Post
    They can in many circumstances. There's no difference in collecting UI benefits between at will and not at will. At will has no impact on benefits, the same general rules apply.
    Why don't we measure unemployment by the amount of people on unemployment compensation?

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