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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

    I believe that most of the people who voted no are not employers.....They might vote different if they were.
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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Maggie, what about a gay person who is not doing the job....... Should and employer be allowed to fire .? Then what if the gay person cries discrimination and the employer did not even know the man was gay?
    I'd guess anyone with over 50 employees knows they simply must document (or be able to do so in hindsight) poor performance. Those who don't have those policies in place are, in my opinion, playing with fire...even if they only have three employees.

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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

    Quote Originally Posted by danielpalos View Post
    Because, at-will employment is codified as law in at-will employment States; any questions?
    Yes. How does that make a difference for someone who quits or is fired for misconduct? For those cases unemployment benefits are denied in all states and at-will or not is irrelevant.

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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I'd guess anyone with over 50 employees knows they simply must document (or be able to do so in hindsight) poor performance. Those who don't have those policies in place are, in my opinion, playing with fire...even if they only have three employees.
    Of course but you do know that if a slacker gay employee is fired the first thing they are going to cry is they were fired because they were gay.

    I worked for the Gov. for 20 years and we had a situation where a black employee when on travel was using the Gov. credit card for personal purchases and that is fraud a felony. When management found they were so scared to fire him that they sent him to a weeks school on how to manage your credit card.
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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I'd guess anyone with over 50 employees knows they simply must document (or be able to do so in hindsight) poor performance. Those who don't have those policies in place are, in my opinion, playing with fire...even if they only have three employees.
    The reality of what the law requires simply sidesteps the principle of unalienable rights however. The Founders never intended that the federal government have any say in what any person did with his/her own property so long as the unalienable rights of somebody else were not violated. And they, to a man, supported the principle of property, legally and ethically acquired, as being an unalienable right to hold and use in one's own interest.

    How the various states and counties and local communities organize their policies for their jurisdictions is an entirely different matter. But any employer should have the right to fire an employee at will for any reason. I would have no problem with laws that prevented that employer from sabotaging the efforts of the employee to be hired by somebody else though unless the employee had performed substandard work or committed some serious job related offense that the new boss should know about.
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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    The reality of what the law requires simply sidesteps the principle of unalienable rights however.
    There's your problem, there's no such thing as an inalienable right.
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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Of course but you do know that if a slacker gay employee is fired the first thing they are going to cry is they were fired because they were gay.

    I worked for the Gov. for 20 years and we had a situation where a black employee when on travel was using the Gov. credit card for personal purchases and that is fraud a felony. When management found they were so scared to fire him that they sent him to a weeks school on how to manage your credit card.
    Hopefully, we aren't operating from that position of weakness any longer. That situation may have been caused more by perceived political correctness of government than the private sector.

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    The reality of what the law requires simply sidesteps the principle of unalienable rights however. The Founders never intended that the federal government have any say in what any person did with his/her own property so long as the unalienable rights of somebody else were not violated. And they, to a man, supported the principle of property, legally and ethically acquired, as being an unalienable right to hold and use in one's own interest.

    How the various states and counties and local communities organize their policies for their jurisdictions is an entirely different matter. But any employer should have the right to fire an employee at will for any reason. I would have no problem with laws that prevented that employer from sabotaging the efforts of the employee to be hired by somebody else though unless the employee had performed substandard work or committed some serious job related offense that the new boss should know about.
    I do not think that someone should be able to be fired simply because his employer found out he was gay. Or because he celebrates Kwanza. Personally, I think that would be a step backwards in our morality.

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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    There's your problem, there's no such thing as an inalienable right.
    Well, that's certainly what the socialists, Marxists, fascists, and dictators believe--they all support the concept of a monarch or despot or other totalitarian authority assigning the rights the people will have. And sadly, those of us who believe that unalienable rights precede government seem to be helpless to stop them lately.
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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    Well, that's certainly what the socialists, Marxists, fascists, and dictators believe--they all support the concept of a monarch or despot or other totalitarian authority assigning the rights the people will have. And sadly, those of us who believe that unalienable rights precede government seem to be helpless to stop them lately.
    I don't care what you believe, I care what you can prove. Too bad you can't actually demonstrate that your beliefs are factually true. You can just make excuses.
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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Hopefully, we aren't operating from that position of weakness any longer. That situation may have been caused more by perceived political correctness of government than the private sector.

    I do not think that someone should be able to be fired simply because his employer found out he was gay. Or because he celebrates Kwanza. Personally, I think that would be a step backwards in our morality.
    So you believe that the government owns all property and rights and it is right that government can assign us the rights we will have and dictate to us how we must use the property that we legally and lawfully acquired, meaning that we do not actually own it at all?

    You see, to exercise the kind of morality you are promoting here, you must strip away the rights from all people in order to distribute the benevolence that you believe is the moral way.

    What is lawful to do is not always right to do. And in order to have liberty, we have to allow people to be wrong.
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