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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Yes, it means that an employer may terminate its employees at will, for any or no reason. This relates back to the original topic since these are what is considered exceptions to at will employment.

    In any event, why don't you explain to everyone why you have a right to unemployment compensation and exactly what right of yours is violated by being fired.
    It also means an employee can quit on the same at-will basis and should not be burdened with any Infringement on their civil rights regarding the concept of employment at will concerning unemployment compensation.

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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    im sure YOU know what YOU are trying to talk about, nobody else does though lol

    how many people have asked you to explain what you are posting about? 5?
    I usually read up on the concept.

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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

    Quote Originally Posted by pinqy View Post
    Because you refuse to explain your concept.
    dude, the concept is employment at will.

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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

    Quote Originally Posted by danielpalos View Post
    It has to do with at-will employment laws. They should be applied in a manner that conforms to our republican principles.
    You'll have to forgive me if I don't put Republican principles on a very high pedestal these days.

    But I think several are missing my point. All laws should be based on principle and the principle should precede the law.

    In this case, the principle is that it is an unalienable right to use our own legally and ethically acquired money/property/resources for our own interests so long as we violate nobody else's rights. Nobody has a right to that money/property/resources without my consent. Nobody has a right to work for me or to stay working for me without my consent, nor do I have a right to anything they own or for them to work for me without their consent.

    If that principle precedes any law re hiring and firing of employees, then obviously the law should recognize the employer's right to hire or fire whatever employees he wishes as he wishes so long as he is not violating an agreement made with that employee.

    Due to the circumstances of my life, I have had a lot of jobs. For most I competed with others for those jobs. Sometimes I got the job. Sometimes I didn't. But it never occurred to me that the employer HAD to hire me.

    And each job I got came with an agreed wage and sometimes a benefit package, and a general idea of what would be expected of me. But not a single one guaranteed me a single day's work. The employer was always at liberty to let me go any time he or she wished to do that. It was my job to make myself valuable enough to the employer that my job was secure. That is the way it is supposed to work in a society in which unalienable rights precede government..
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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

    Who could have any problem with employment at will if labor can also quit and still apply for unemployment compensation?

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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

    Quote Originally Posted by danielpalos View Post
    For cause criteria is not at-will employment.
    A requirement to show cause is not at will employment. But one can still be fired tor cause in a state with at will employment.
    If one is fired for cause in an at-will state, one is not eligible for UI benefits.
    But someone fired without cause is eligible for benefits. They're not eligible for severance pay, but as far as UI benefits go, I'm not aware of any difference between at-will and other states.
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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

    Quote Originally Posted by danielpalos View Post
    Who could have any problem with employment at will if labor can also quit and still apply for unemployment compensation?
    Since, with few exceptions, no one who quits is eligible for UI benefits, why are you making a distinction between at-will a nd other states?
    Therefore, since the world has still/Much good, but much less good than ill,
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    I'd face it as a wise man would,/And train for ill and not for good.

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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

    Quote Originally Posted by pinqy View Post
    A requirement to show cause is not at will employment. But one can still be fired tor cause in a state with at will employment.
    If one is fired for cause in an at-will state, one is not eligible for UI benefits.
    But someone fired without cause is eligible for benefits. They're not eligible for severance pay, but as far as UI benefits go, I'm not aware of any difference between at-will and other states.
    It is about the employment relationship.

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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

    Quote Originally Posted by danielpalos View Post
    For cause criteria is not at-will employment.
    Virginia is an at-will State. Requirements for eligibility: Benefits Eligibility | Virginia Employment Commission
    If you are separated for any reason other than lack of work, it will be necessary to gather facts from you and your employer concerning your separation. Your employer will be sent a questionnaire requesting information concerning your employment and separation. You will be called by a VEC deputy and be given an opportunity to present your information and review that of your employer. The deputy will make a determination regarding your qualification based on the separation information presented. You will be disqualified if the deputy determines that you quit your job without good cause, or you were fired from your job for misconduct in connection with your work.
    The employer does not need cause to fire someone, but must show cause, specifically misconduct, to deny benefits.
    And an employee who quits for good cause is also eligible.
    Therefore, since the world has still/Much good, but much less good than ill,
    And while the sun and moon endure/Luck's a chance, but trouble's sure,
    I'd face it as a wise man would,/And train for ill and not for good.

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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

    Quote Originally Posted by pinqy View Post
    Since, with few exceptions, no one who quits is eligible for UI benefits, why are you making a distinction between at-will a nd other states?
    It is about equality before the law under our republican form of Government with our form of Capitalism.

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