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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

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    inherent rights would also be a social construct

    hence all rights are social constructs
    No, inherent rights come from the individual, not from a coordination with other human beings in society.

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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

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    inherent rights would also be a social construct

    hence all rights are social constructs
    Well, no - if some rights were actually inherent, they would exist whether a social structure did or did not exist to support them.
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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

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    Well, no - if some rights were actually inherent, they would exist whether a social structure did or did not exist to support them.
    nope because again it would be PEOPLE that decided they were inherent, theres no other way

    how would they get inherent without people deciding that?

    hence all social constructs
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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

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    nope because again it would be PEOPLE that decided they were inherent, theres no other way

    how would they get inherent without people deciding that?

    hence all social constructs
    Do you understand the word inherent?

    According to this link, it means:
    involved in the constitution or essential character of something : belonging by nature or habit : intrinsic <risks inherent in the venture>
    This means that if something is inherent, it CANNOT be a manufactured aspect.
    Last edited by The Mark; 02-01-14 at 07:03 PM.
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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

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    Do you understand the word inherent?
    sure do, how does it become inherent without a person/people deciding that?
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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

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    sure do, how does it become inherent without a person/people deciding that?
    It is impossible for a person or people to decide that something is inherent. They can only recognize that it is.
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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

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    It is impossible for a person or people to decide that something is inherent. They can only recognize that it is.
    really? how do they "recognize" it? that sounds like a decision
    what makes it inherent?
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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    really? how do they "recognize" it? that sounds like a decision
    what makes it inherent?
    It is a decision - but whether something which is inherent exists or not is independent of recognition.

    IF something is inherent, it always has and always will exist, unless the nature of that which it is part of changes.
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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

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    1.)It is a decision - but whether something which is inherent exists or not is independent of recognition.
    2.)IF something is inherent, it always has and always will exist, unless the nature of that which it is part of changes.
    1.) so its a choice but the choice doesnt matter? seems fishy
    2.) this doesnt answer the question in anyway whatsoever

    ill ask again what makes it inherent?
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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    1.) so its a choice but the choice doesnt matter? seems fishy
    2.) this doesnt answer the question in anyway whatsoever

    ill ask again what makes it inherent?
    The choice is whether to recognize something as inherent. Whether it is actually inherent or not is totally independent of that recognition.

    The example given in the link I posted is "the dangers inherent in mountaineering".
    No one decided those dangers were inherent, they just were. And are recognized as such.
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