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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    1.)How is philosophy not relevant to this topic? It seems at least partially so. Why do you not wish to enter that area of discussion?
    2.)I don't know where the scope of your question ends, apart from for myself. However, as I said, it seems to limit discussion slightly, and appears to avoid some topics that I thought relevant.
    1.) for this topic i think its meaningless
    2.) exactly so you are guessing based on nothing.

    Theres nothing about it that is limiting nor avoiding
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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    1.) for this topic i think its meaningless
    2.) exactly so you are guessing based on nothing.

    Theres nothing about it that is limiting nor avoiding
    But it is leading.

    "what reason can you give to violate these rights" presumes that the rights exist and that violating them is bad.
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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    But it is leading.

    "what reason can you give to violate these rights" presumes that the rights exist and that violating them is bad.
    as already proven 100% false

    that is YOUR presumption in YOUR head not mine, you made it up, YOU are assuming that

    1.) they factually do exist
    2.) never even hinted that violating them is bad in fact if you had a good reason violating them would be good

    thank you for proving my point
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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

    Quote Originally Posted by danielpalos View Post
    dude, i know what i am talking about when discussing this concept. why don't you.
    Because you refuse to explain your concept.
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    And while the sun and moon endure/Luck's a chance, but trouble's sure,
    I'd face it as a wise man would,/And train for ill and not for good.

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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    as already proven 100% false

    that is YOUR presumption in YOUR head not mine, you made it up, YOU are assuming that

    1.) they factually do exist
    2.) never even hinted that violating them is bad in fact if you had a good reason violating them would be good

    thank you for proving my point
    It appears to me that our only real disagreement then, is the statement "they factually do exist" (regarding the rights which protect employees from discriminatory hiring/firing practices).

    As I see it, they LEGALLY exist, but whether they actually exist is a philosophical question. Possibly an unimportant one, however, since effectively anything can be made a law, whether it exists outside the law or not.
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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    1.)It appears to me that our only real disagreement then, is the statement "they factually do exist" (regarding the rights which protect employees from discriminatory hiring/firing practices).

    2.)As I see it, they LEGALLY exist
    3.)but whether they actually exist is a philosophical question. Possibly an unimportant one, however, since effectively anything can be made a law, whether it exists outside the law or not.
    1.) uhm thats not a "disagreement" currently they factually do exist
    2.) which currently makes them factual
    3.) no they factually do already, whether they should or if any rights should is what is philosophical and meaningless to this topic at hand
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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    1.) uhm thats not a "disagreement" currently they factually do exist
    2.) which currently makes them factual
    3.) no they factually do already, whether they should or if any rights should is what is philosophical and meaningless to this topic at hand
    You're not getting my point.

    The rights in question do in fact legally exist - in other words, they were codified into law and have since had various court rulings on them which changed their interpretation slightly.

    What I'm saying is that this does not necessarily mean that said rights would exist WITHOUT being codified - that they are social constructs, IOW.

    In effect, they are both fact and fiction.
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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    You're not getting my point.

    The rights in question do in fact legally exist - in other words, they were codified into law and have since had various court rulings on them which changed their interpretation slightly.

    What I'm saying is that this does not necessarily mean that said rights would exist WITHOUT being codified - that they are social constructs, IOW.

    In effect, they are both fact and fiction.
    No actually i get what you are saying 100% got it from the very first time you said it

    all rights are social constructs
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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    No actually i get what you are saying 100% got it from the very first time you said it

    all rights are social constructs
    I think there is actually debate over whether some rights are inherent, but at the least recognition of said inherent rights would be a social construct.
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    Re: Should employers have the freedom to hire/fire for any reason they wish

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    I think there is actually debate over whether some rights are inherent, but at the least recognition of said inherent rights would be a social construct.
    inherent rights would also be a social construct

    hence all rights are social constructs
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